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KEVLAR #2960231 03/25/20 09:25 AM
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Has there been any testing of Kevlar or carbon-fiber as piano strings ?
I find that both are in use for "other" stringed instruments ?

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Regardless of strength do you think they would sound like steel and steel/copper strings? What % diameter difference to you think that a carbon fibre string, e.g. A0 and A4 might have compared with conventional strings so as to achieve equivalent audio volume?
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I get the impression they might sound a bit plastic...!

Also, it might be a bit difficult to get them to hold on to a normal wrest pin, so would probably need a screw-stringer arrangement of some sort (as per a violin etc.). Have you tried carbon or Kevlar? I'd be very interested to hear about any experiments! smile


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I suggest you ask any of the three companies building carbon soundboards and also ask Wessel, Nickel, and Gross if they have experimented.
One thing I do know, is that I cannot get a sound out of my Schaff carbon fibre tuning lever grin
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Originally Posted by Goof
Has there been any testing of Kevlar or carbon-fiber as piano strings ?
I find that both are in use for "other" stringed instruments ?


I don't know about Kevlar but I have my bow strung with 'Fastflight' aramid string which claims to be even lower stretch than kevlar, and performs better, at least when shooting arrows. I can confirm that it twangs very nicely when strung in the bow and (being lighter) at a higher pitch than the equivalent pre-stretched nylon strings.

Kevlar is a bit brittle, Fastflight or similar might work but they wouldn't last as long as wire I fear :-)

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I've experimented with different types of strings on guitars. The tone of materials like carbon-fibre and Kevlar is much closer to nylon or gut strings than metal strings. For this reason, I think they would make a very poor choice for a piano - unless you were seeking a piano with an extremely mellow tone. There are several brands of CF strings for classical guitars, and none for steel string guitars: I think that reflects the tonal limts/properties of CF strings.

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There is a patent for strings made from amorphous metal.


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Originally Posted by ando
I've experimented with different types of strings on guitars. The tone of materials like carbon-fibre and Kevlar is much closer to nylon or gut strings than metal strings. For this reason, I think they would make a very poor choice for a piano - unless you were seeking a piano with an extremely mellow tone. There are several brands of CF strings for classical guitars, and none for steel string guitars: I think that reflects the tonal limts/properties of CF strings.


It might be really interesting to hear a piano with one of the unisons using a disparate material. A good challenge for the tuner as well.

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Originally Posted by gwing
Originally Posted by Goof
Has there been any testing of Kevlar or carbon-fiber as piano strings ?
I find that both are in use for "other" stringed instruments ?


I don't know about Kevlar but I have my bow strung with 'Fastflight' aramid string which claims to be even lower stretch than kevlar, and performs better, at least when shooting arrows. I can confirm that it twangs very nicely when strung in the bow and (being lighter) at a higher pitch than the equivalent pre-stretched nylon strings.

Kevlar is a bit brittle, Fastflight or similar might work but they wouldn't last as long as wire I fear :-)

Kevlar is a brand name for Aramid fibers.

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Has there been any testing of Kevlar or carbon-fiber as piano strings ?
I find that both are in use for "other" stringed instruments ?


I don't know about Kevlar but I have my bow strung with 'Fastflight' aramid string which claims to be even lower stretch than kevlar, and performs better, at least when shooting arrows. I can confirm that it twangs very nicely when strung in the bow and (being lighter) at a higher pitch than the equivalent pre-stretched nylon strings.

Kevlar is a bit brittle, Fastflight or similar might work but they wouldn't last as long as wire I fear :-)

Kevlar is a brand name for Aramid fibers.


There are lots of different types of high performance strings. Kevlar is as you say just a brand name associated with Aramid fibres, but there are at least three different classes of aramid fibres, and then HPME and Vectran are used for archery strings as well, sometimes in combination. Plus the physical construction and lubrication within the string have a big effect as well. It all gets difficult to work out.

P.S sorry for the mistake earlier, Fastflite brand string is actually HPME rather than aramid. I'll shut up now as this isn't an archery forum.

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Originally Posted by gwing
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I've experimented with different types of strings on guitars. The tone of materials like carbon-fibre and Kevlar is much closer to nylon or gut strings than metal strings. For this reason, I think they would make a very poor choice for a piano - unless you were seeking a piano with an extremely mellow tone. There are several brands of CF strings for classical guitars, and none for steel string guitars: I think that reflects the tonal limts/properties of CF strings.


It might be really interesting to hear a piano with one of the unisons using a disparate material. A good challenge for the tuner as well.

It would indeed, but I suspect you'd have some interesting phase-cancellation happening (beats).

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Eddie -Ate-Dynamite-Good-Bye- Eddie = Guitar. Guitar order starts with what is the E3 on the piano. - On my upright that E3 is the second trichord on the treble brige.
So ! looks like a non-metal string, of same length, would for shure, have to be copper wrapped
And plucked ?
And are we back to one of those pre piano instruments ?
Clavichord ?


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