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Yamaha M1 Console Piano #2960753 03/26/20 03:57 PM
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Hi everyone,

I found a Yamaha M1E for $2700 include matching seat, delivery, turning and 10 years warranty. The piano is in good condition. The seller says it's around 15 years, made in U.S. and been well maintained. But I found it online it's made in 1992. It's not Yamaha website so I'm not sure if it's correct. The serial no. is M1E T 159446. If anyone is an expert on this, could you let me know the correct manufacturer year? Thank you.

I found another Yamaha M1B for $2500 include matching seat and delivery with 3 or 5 years warranty. Seller says it's in mint condition made in 1986.

May I know your opinion if they are fair price? Or should I look for something else with this budget? Thank you so much for your opinion.


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Re: Yamaha M1 Console Piano [Re: justcandy] #2960788 03/26/20 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by justcandy
Hi everyone,

I found a Yamaha M1E for $2700 include matching seat, delivery, turning and 10 years warranty. The piano is in good condition. The seller says it's around 15 years, made in U.S. and been well maintained. But I found it online it's made in 1992. It's not Yamaha website so I'm not sure if it's correct. The serial no. is M1E T 159446. If anyone is an expert on this, could you let me know the correct manufacturer year? Thank you.
I'm no expert, but I found a 1993 M1E for sale on the internet with a serial number starting with T179... and a 1989 model with a serial number staritng T123.... so it would appear that a T159446 would have been built in 1991 or 1992. The "T" means that the piano was built in Georgia, USA.

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I found another Yamaha M1B for $2500 include matching seat and delivery with 3 or 5 years warranty. Seller says it's in mint condition made in 1986.
"Mint condition" means nothing. Any piano you are serious about purchasing should be checked out for you by an independent piano tech.

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May I know your opinion if they are fair price? Or should I look for something else with this budget? Thank you so much for your opinion.
If both pianos are being sold be dealers, then the prices are too high..The dealer who told you the M1E is around 15 years old should be informed otherwise and perhaps he will be willing to lower the price significantly.

This 2009 PW Thread may be helpful

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/246012/19_year_old_Yamaha_M1B_a_good_.html

and this one from 2006

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/252720/yamaha-m1e.html



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Re: Yamaha M1 Console Piano [Re: justcandy] #2960790 03/26/20 06:01 PM
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Go play the pianos/listen to the pianos. If you still like them, hire your own tech to inspect them and verify the condition. The tech can also identify any additional service the piano would need.

Yamaha's serial numbers actually do get quite confusing. The serial you provide does suggest 1992, built in Thomaston. There is actually another possibility that it is even older, but certainly not 15 years old. The piano could be fine, even good, but not a lot of confidence in the seller that is willing to tell you it is so much younger than it is. I'd be curious about that warranty, too.

The older M1B could certainly be good, too. 3 to 5 years warranty makes a lot more sense for a 30+ year old piano. As part of an inspection, be sure to check out the silk cords. Yamaha corrected a problem around then (but I do not recall exactly when), and the earlier silk cords break. That repair requires a good bit of labor.

We have an even older M1A from 1970, made in Japan. We serviced it, replaced all of the silk cords and a few odds and ends, and it is still a nice piano that we use as a loaner. I will say that 1970 M1A was better made, in my opinion, than the later M1's made in the US, but that they were still good starter pianos that were generally reliable.

I do recommend expanding your search. In comparing the used acoustic pianos within your budget vs. the new digital pianos in your budget, the digitals are good and not much risk. I respect your budget, I just don't get that excited about the pianos that tend to fall into that budget even when they are in good condition. I think that until you get to a more exciting acoustic piano, as a tool, the digitals are just better and without the maintenance cost of a 28+ year old console.


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Re: Yamaha M1 Console Piano [Re: Carey] #2960950 Yesterday at 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by justcandy
Hi everyone,

I found a Yamaha M1E for $2700 include matching seat, delivery, turning and 10 years warranty. The piano is in good condition. The seller says it's around 15 years, made in U.S. and been well maintained. But I found it online it's made in 1992. It's not Yamaha website so I'm not sure if it's correct. The serial no. is M1E T 159446. If anyone is an expert on this, could you let me know the correct manufacturer year? Thank you.
I'm no expert, but I found a 1993 M1E for sale on the internet with a serial number starting with T179... and a 1989 model with a serial number staritng T123.... so it would appear that a T159446 would have been built in 1991 or 1992. The "T" means that the piano was built in Georgia, USA.

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I found another Yamaha M1B for $2500 include matching seat and delivery with 3 or 5 years warranty. Seller says it's in mint condition made in 1986.
"Mint condition" means nothing. Any piano you are serious about purchasing should be checked out for you by an independent piano tech.

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May I know your opinion if they are fair price? Or should I look for something else with this budget? Thank you so much for your opinion.
If both pianos are being sold be dealers, then the prices are too high..The dealer who told you the M1E is around 15 years old should be informed otherwise and perhaps he will be willing to lower the price significantly.

This 2009 PW Thread may be helpful

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/246012/19_year_old_Yamaha_M1B_a_good_.html

and this one from 2006

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/252720/yamaha-m1e.html



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Re: Yamaha M1 Console Piano [Re: Carey] #2961065 Yesterday at 06:07 PM
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Hi Carey,

Thank you for looking it up for the M1E pianos!

Now I see how the serial no. works. This is very helpful. So the M1E is definitely not a 15 year piano...

The two threads are helpful too. The first thread was selling the M1B built around 1990 for $1900, and that was back in 2009. So apparently the two pianos are overpriced...Thank you so much!

Re: Yamaha M1 Console Piano [Re: PianoWorksATL] #2961073 Yesterday at 06:37 PM
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Hi PianoWorksATL,

Thank you so much for all the information. They are very helpful!

Now I understand the M1E piano is at least 28 years, then it's a totally different story...

The M1B is actually made in Japan. Thanks for mentioning the silk cord issue and the suggestion of hiring my own piano technician. Now I understand it's important to check the real condition of the piano.

I agree with you on the digital piano suggestion! Actually digital piano was my original plan. I went to try some digital pianos, including YAMAHA CLP 525, YAMAHA CLP 625 that have hammer keys, but the keys still feel a lot lighter than a piano. I do feel CLP 525 key is a little heavier than the 625 which is strange. My most concern is that I want the same feeling of the keys as a piano. I used to practice on piano for years and more used to it. Do you have any suggestions on the digital pianos with heavier keys? Thank you.


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Re: Yamaha M1 Console Piano [Re: j&j] #2961077 Yesterday at 06:43 PM
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Thank you J&J!

Re: Yamaha M1 Console Piano [Re: justcandy] #2961085 Yesterday at 07:26 PM
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Anytime justcandy. Don’t be in a big hurry to overspend on a piano just yet. There several piano dealers that are offering seriously discounted pianos by advance appointment and virtual store visits. Best Wishes.


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