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Slurs in Knight Rupert? #2960434 03/25/20 08:30 PM
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What is the best way of handling the slurs in the right hand in this piece? Specifically measures 11 and 15? In measure 11, I’m going from 4-2 to 2-1, which is supposed to be slurred. How are you supposed to slur with the 2 that just played the G? This transition never sounds like a slur to me because I have to lift my finger in order to play the next set of notes. Am I making too much out of this? Thanks for any help. 🙃

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Re: Slurs in Knight Rupert? [Re: ebonykawai] #2960444 03/25/20 09:06 PM
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Adding the pic here, the measure number didn't come out in the pic but it's the 2nd line, 3rd measure, right hand.

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Re: Slurs in Knight Rupert? [Re: ebonykawai] #2960550 03/26/20 06:08 AM
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Why are you using 2-1 instead of 3-1 for the second quaver and 3-2 instead of 4-2 for the fourth. I use 4-2 to 3-1 for both of these pairs, as fingered by Howard Ferguson for the ABRSM editions.

(Using your fingering you can slur the first by holding the fourth finger during the change but the piece is a little quick for that.)


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Re: Slurs in Knight Rupert? [Re: ebonykawai] #2960568 03/26/20 07:21 AM
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Progressions in thirds are never fully legato, but at that tempo it is barely noticeable. Most importanf is to use a fingering that is convenient. You may also try 53, 31 followed by 53,32. It is probably slightly easier to execute, but that is a personal choice.

Re: Slurs in Knight Rupert? [Re: ebonykawai] #2960583 03/26/20 08:21 AM
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Thank you!


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Re: Slurs in Knight Rupert? [Re: zrtf90] #2960639 03/26/20 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by zrtf90
Why are you using 2-1 instead of 3-1 for the second quaver and 3-2 instead of 4-2 for the fourth. I use 4-2 to 3-1 for both of these pairs, as fingered by Howard Ferguson for the ABRSM editions.

(Using your fingering you can slur the first by holding the fourth finger during the change but the piece is a little quick for that.)



I was using those fingers because I was trying to create a slur sound, but since it doesn't seem very possible here anyway (why he did he write it like this if you can't actually do it???), your fingering makes a lot more sense. The slur threw me off. Thank you!!


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Re: Slurs in Knight Rupert? [Re: ebonykawai] #2960643 03/26/20 11:14 AM
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"Piano friends, how do I slur these notes in measure 11 (also 15)? I’m going from fingers 4-2 to 2-1. How is it possible to slur these notes when you have to still pick up the 2 in order to sound the next set of notes? Nothing that I’m doing is sounding like a slur at all. Help?"

Two options

1) release the repeating notes, slur the top notes. e.g. 4-2 to 2-1 you slur the 4 to the 2 in the top, the bottom 2 to 1 is detached. this give the illusion of legato. this is what i was taught.

2) play as written but use the pedal to hind the gap.

maybe there is a third of option of both. i agree that if have it fast that perhaps you can get away with not doing it. i am not aware of the piece or how you play. it would sound pretty noticeable if slow.

Re: Slurs in Knight Rupert? [Re: ebonykawai] #2960647 03/26/20 11:27 AM
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You create a "partial slur", (using your fingering,) if you lift the 2 only and hold the 4, and then play legato to 2 and 1. The upper notes (b-flat and g) are usually the melody, so it's important that at least those notes are legato. You can apply this principle to all the legato thirds. At first you practice this by lifting the 2 very early on, later you can optimize by lifting it later and shorter.
You could also use the pedal, but it's not really necessary and it changes the sound.
In theory, you could also play the same note legato (finger 2 in the example) if you have an Instrument that allows it. You raise your finger not entirely from the key, just enough to make the note sound again if you press down again. It's not easy, and usually (like here) it's not necessary if the note is not a melody-note.

Edit: Moo beat me to it smile

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Re: Slurs in Knight Rupert? [Re: ebonykawai] #2960743 03/26/20 03:32 PM
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Thank you both, I'll try this!


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Re: Slurs in Knight Rupert? [Re: ebonykawai] #2960945 Yesterday at 11:00 AM
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I was able to get in touch with my teacher, she said to stay with my original fingering because I DO need to hold the 2 down until the last second before it sounds again, in order to get a more legato/slur sound. I guess I should trust my training and instincts more, lol. Anyway, thanks for the input, everyone!


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