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Age-related coordination disorders between the hands #2956645 03/12/20 12:51 PM
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Which of the teachers and professional pianists has encountered this phenomenon? This means that some acquired coordination skills (not all) disappear on their own, and then the dominant hand imposes to another hand sequence of movements on the fingering and intervals. In such a situation, a separate work on part of each hand simply does not help.

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Re: Age-related coordination disorders between the hands [Re: Nahum] #2956852 03/13/20 10:26 AM
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I don't know if this is related or not, but weird things happen in my brain with the coordination between muscle memory and audiation.

Most of my practice and playing is on trombone. Due to some hand and wrist pain issues I've been playing an alto trombone recently. It's considerably lighter to hold up. However the fundamental pitch is Eb rather than Bb, a fourth higher, so I play the same notes but with a different position/fingering.

On brass instruments you must audiate a note internally before playing it - and I find this very difficult to do. If I'm going to play a middle C, for example, and have a Bb tenor in my hand, I can think that note or sing that note spot on before playing. With the Eb alto in my hand, much of that skill disappears. I also find playing scales difficult, probably related, because I lose my place.

Why I think this might be relevant to your question is that I played left handed one year after a shoulder injury, and the same thing happened, though to a less extent.


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Re: Age-related coordination disorders between the hands [Re: Nahum] #2956884 03/13/20 12:56 PM
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TimR , thanks for the feedback! What you write is familiar to me from the period when, after 5 years of playing the violin, I began to master playing the viola by printed notes with key C . The problem of studying transposition is well known: I see note B on the midline, I think C is half a tone up and an octave down. Of course, this greatly slows down the reading of notes; however, do not despair, but become a maniac of reading notes; much more than is required directly for work (i.e. do not feed the dogs just before going hunting). In addition, I myself learned to play the alto saxophone, also by notes (and even very serious: Concerto for Jazz Band & Symphony Orchestra by Rolf Liebermann - dodecaphonic music). The situation was such that I read music much better than mine instrumental technique. Of course, the study of transposition after the age of 50 is slower than in my 33 years at that time.
All the same, I do not see a connection with the idea of ​​OP: the disorder of the trained mechanism for coordinating playing movements, which is unlikely to be associated with a deterioration in sight or external hearing. I suppose that the age-related process of memory decline refers to different types of memory, but to a different degree.

Re: Age-related coordination disorders between the hands [Re: Nahum] #2960541 03/26/20 05:37 AM
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To be more specific: at this stage, each addition of the other hand part , even in two hand arpeggios, causes immediate uncontrolled misses in the first-hand part; and this happens in both directions; no matter how much time was spent on each hand. At a young age, this simply did not exist. After many trials, I came across a complex type of coordination - instead of the usual ping- pong glance , view I constantly look at only one hand, while simultaneously imagining the movements of the other in the brain. So to speak, multi-look. It helps, but for me as an aphant , it is unfamiliar and very difficult , which requires tremendous effort.
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Re: Age-related coordination disorders between the hands [Re: Nahum] #2960716 03/26/20 02:05 PM
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Then another thought based on the looking.

Have you tried a mirror? I've been told that for phantom limb pain, working in a mirror can help retrain the brain to accept the missing hand, just thinking that the mental process might be similar for your issue.


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Re: Age-related coordination disorders between the hands [Re: TimR] #2960733 03/26/20 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TimR


Have you tried a mirror? I've been told that for phantom limb pain, working in a mirror can help retrain the brain to accept the missing hand, just thinking that the mental process might be similar for your issue.
This works for me as follows: playing with both hands, I focus on the reflection in the mirror of my left hand (the right is the leading one in accuracy). The left hand misses, but if I imagine it movements in my head at the same time, then the best result comes out.


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