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What is this piece? #2960115 03/24/20 07:41 PM
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Re: What is this piece? [Re: pianoloverus] #2960136 03/24/20 09:32 PM
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It doesn’t sound familiar. I wonder if he was improvising.


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Re: What is this piece? [Re: pianoloverus] #2960141 03/24/20 09:55 PM
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"He composed music for musical theater, including the score for a 1993 Off-Broadway adaptation of The Hunchback of Notre-Dame"

https://youtu.be/EvWlraTYgu8?t=266


Chopin Op. 48, No. 1
Czerny Variation on a theme by Rode
Chopin Bolero
Schumann Piano Concerto / Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 5

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Gwhyneth Chen went to him specifically to study the Rach 3rd. When she entered the Ivo Pogorelich competion, Ivo said her Rach 3rd was "too good to be true". After she won the competition, Ivo and his wife offered to give her lessons and asked her to "start from zero". Apparently Byron was not happy about that at all.


Chopin Op. 48, No. 1
Czerny Variation on a theme by Rode
Chopin Bolero
Schumann Piano Concerto / Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 5

Re: What is this piece? [Re: pianoloverus] #2960172 03/25/20 12:09 AM
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Screw that second piece grin (not really -- it's terrific, whatever it might be) .....that little waltz at the beginning is one of the most interesting and gripping Chopins I've ever heard.

If I just heard audio of it without knowing who was playing, I would have guessed "de Pachmann," and you could have convinced me it was a newly discovered somehow-recording of Chopin himself.

BTW, notice all the 'liberties' he takes with the score.

I heard him (Byron Janis) in a recital, years ago, and I don't remember him playing anything like this.
It reminds me of when an old friend of mine was winning major competitions but then didn't advance beyond a certain point in his solo career (no problem, he has gone on to have a wonderful career and seems pleased with it), and I so much wanted to tell him, when you're old you'll be playing differently than you do now, so why not start playing like that now.... ha

Thanks for posting this. It is remarkable playing.

Re: What is this piece? [Re: pianoloverus] #2960173 03/25/20 12:15 AM
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P.S. Looking up stuff on Byron Janis, I see that (1) he's still with us, at 92 (as of today! his birthday; is that what led you to find this? ....oh actually I see it's already tomorrow, on the east coast, but let's pretend it isn't) .....(2) Martin Scorsese supposedly is doing a film ("biopic") on him -- but that's been said since 4 years ago.

Anyone know if it's really happening?

Re: What is this piece? [Re: newport] #2960264 03/25/20 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by newport

"He composed music for musical theater, including the score for a 1993 Off-Broadway adaptation of The Hunchback of Notre-Dame"

https://youtu.be/EvWlraTYgu8?t=266


From the Bach Cantatas Website...

"Byron Janis is also a composer. He composed the musical theme for the Global Forum on Human Survival in Oxford, England, held April 1988. With lyrics by Sammy Cahn, it became the song The One World. Janis's music is primarily in the Pop style, and includes the music for a musical theater production of The Hunchback of Notre Dame and the score for Turner Network Television's 1989 major film documentary on Gary Cooper: The True Gen: Cooper and Hemingway - a 20 Year Friendship."

By the way, the interest in Gary Cooper was most likely related to the fact that Byron has been married to Cooper's daughter since 1966. smile


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Re: What is this piece? [Re: pianoloverus] #2960326 03/25/20 02:16 PM
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I think Janis' performance of the Chopin Waltz was quite bad in many ways.

Re: What is this piece? [Re: pianoloverus] #2960330 03/25/20 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I think Janis' performance of the Chopin Waltz was quite bad in many ways.

I know that many would feel that.

I thought it was wonderful and special, with an 'authentic' impression.
Many would probably feel it's an 'affected' authenticity -- as I think many felt, for example, about Pachmann, whose playing (warts, affectation and all) I would guess is the closest impression we have for what Chopin himself sounded like.

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Speaking of Chopin waltzes, I stumbled upon a video today of Janis playing an "alternate" version of the Opus 18 (in Chopin's handwriting) that he discovered at Yale University five years after he discovered yet another version of the same work (also in Chopin's handwriting) in a chateau in France. Might be of interest to someone.... grin

https://youtu.be/qpvyZyFzZxk


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Re: What is this piece? [Re: pianoloverus] #2960511 03/26/20 01:44 AM
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P.S. An extra-fun thing about that video was: looking through the shots of the audience to see if I recognized anyone.
I figure, at a thing like that, there had to be some people who I know. Had to be.

Didn't recognize anyone.

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Originally Posted by Carey
Speaking of Chopin waltzes, I stumbled upon a video today of Janis playing an "alternate" version of the Opus 18 (in Chopin's handwriting) that he discovered at Yale University five years after he discovered yet another version of the same work (also in Chopin's handwriting) in a chateau in France. Might be of interest to someone.... grin

https://youtu.be/qpvyZyFzZxk
Very interesting. I greatly prefer the published version but that might be because it's so much more familiar. The only parts of the version that Janis plays that I like as well or maybe better are where the left hand changes in the part with all the grace notes in the RH and the very end of the piece where he slows down before the loud E flat major chords. I don't know if that was something Janis did on his own or it was actually in the Yale version he discovered.

Re the version of the L'Adieu waltz Janis plays in the earlier video on this thread, I know there are two published version of the waltz. Did Janis play the less performed of the two published versions? There were certainly many changes compared to the generally performed version that I'm familiar with starting with dotting a lot of eighth notes that are generally played evenly. Or maybe that was Janis just being-self indulgent?

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Well, I am ashamed to say that I had not heard of Byron Janis. So I have learned something.


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