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Re: Using Easy Piano Tuner [Re: That Guy] #2882774 08/23/19 02:04 PM
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I find the functions of changing the weight of the intervals and increasing-decreasing the stretching of the ends of the range intriguing. I consider these features necessary for customization. Thanks for the answer!

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Re: Using Easy Piano Tuner [Re: That Guy] #2929465 01/02/20 05:06 PM
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These improvements in the new version are just WOWW!

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I agree! thumb wow


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Re: Using Easy Piano Tuner [Re: That Guy] #2929546 01/02/20 08:48 PM
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Thank you. The new weight settings are still very much in beta testing. And the pre-loaded styles are experimental placeholders...there's a rationale behind their weights, but not much science yet. I'm interested to hear what people think after playing around with it a bit. I suspect most will just find it interesting to look at the intervals graphs, but if anybody creates a custom style they like on pianos I'd love to hear about it.


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Hi Anthony, I'm wondering how the weights are determined. Since they don't add up to 100, they're obviously not percentages. Do they represent some other ratio when doing a custom weighted tuning?

I figured out and liked the graphs. Looking forward to taking this new beta release out for a spin!

Best wishes for much success as you develop Pianometer!

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Re: Using Easy Piano Tuner [Re: That Guy] #2929577 01/02/20 10:06 PM
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Brent,
No, the weights don't add up to anything special. All that matters is their proportions to each other. If you reduced each weight by 50% of its original value the result would be the same.
The weights function is to tell the algorithm the relative importance of each interval in the tuning calculation. It might be helpful to think of the weights as the inverse of a target beat rate for an interval. That's what I did years ago when I was choosing the default weights. But it's changed a bit since then, and if you play with the numbers you'll be disappointed to find that they don't align exactly with theoretical target beat rates. But the general principle is there. Fourths beat faster than Fifths, which beat faster than Octaves, which beat faster than Twelfths. So the values of the weights increase in that order, inverse to the decreasing beat rates. Sorry, I'm probably not explaining that very well.


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Re: Using Easy Piano Tuner [Re: That Guy] #2929667 01/03/20 07:46 AM
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It is possible that detailed guidance is now needed.

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Using PianoMeter is for me a very enjoyable experience and these new functions add to the pleasure.
thanks Anthony
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Re: Using Easy Piano Tuner [Re: That Guy] #2960201 03/25/20 05:50 AM
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Lately, I have been playing fifths, fourths and thirds when tuning. I do this in the entire range (except for the highest octave). The tuner is in step mode switching notes. This way I get an amazing setting. I get the throttle beat change in thirds is very smooth. Amazing! There is no 5: 4 ratio chart in the settings for the weight of the intervals. Will it be added in the future?

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Originally Posted by Scherbakov Alex
Lately, I have been playing fifths, fourths and thirds when tuning. I do this in the entire range (except for the highest octave). The tuner is in step mode switching notes. This way I get an amazing setting. I get the throttle beat change in thirds is very smooth. Amazing! There is no 5: 4 ratio chart in the settings for the weight of the intervals. Will it be added in the future?

I don't understand your method. Are you using PianoMeter as it was designed then as you progress altering the note tuning as if you were using pure aural tuning?
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Re: Using Easy Piano Tuner [Re: Scherbakov Alex] #2960457 03/25/20 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Scherbakov Alex
Lately, I have been playing fifths, fourths and thirds when tuning. I do this in the entire range (except for the highest octave). The tuner is in step mode switching notes. This way I get an amazing setting. I get the throttle beat change in thirds is very smooth. Amazing! There is no 5: 4 ratio chart in the settings for the weight of the intervals. Will it be added in the future?

I don't quite understand your process. On the "5:4 ratio chart", are you asking about a special chart that would show the ratio of 5ths beatrates vs 4ths beatrates, or are you asking about an addition to the current chart showing the beat rates of Major 3rd intervals (5:4 partials)? If the latter, I used to have a small hidden constraint on Major (5:4) and Minor (6:5) third beat rates, but I got rid of it because it wasn't doing much and it wasn't very useful for controlling the tuning with the minimization algorithm I use.


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Re: Using Easy Piano Tuner [Re: That Guy] #2960561 03/26/20 07:02 AM
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Wow! Today I received an update and the Russian language appeared in the names of the intervals! Pleasantly!
Yes, I meant the frequency of the beats. Maybe a 5:4 schedule could be useful just for information. And he may not have weight. Just to keep track of the smoothness of the beats in thirds. I don't know.
I try to configure as follows. The program listens for example note E3. I add A2, then B2 and then C3 .. In doing so, I adjust E3 (and so on up to chromatism). The tuner always has tuning mode tuning curve. Maybe this changes the weight of the overtones. Maybe this method allows you to specify the frequency of the overtones. But in this case, there are fewer notes in which the overtones disperse in different directions on the phase display. The graph of inharmoniousness (subjectively) is smoother. And the setting comes out beautiful. The instrument sounds very solid. Strangeness in entwined strings is minimized. I love to play such an instrument.

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