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Re: Corona and appointments
TimM_980 #2957992 03/17/20 12:15 PM
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Why would you want a person to come to your home when they’ve gone from place to place tuning pianos?


I would want them to come round because my piano needed a tune, and because I wouldn't want to see their livelihood destroyed by this.

Ideally either the tuner or ourselves would have already had the virus, recovered, and now be immune. Then provided hands are washed before and after the visit there should be no real risk to anyone involved.



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Denial is refusing to acknowledge either imminent harm or harm that has already occurred. People may receive and understand the message, but behave as though the danger is not as great as they are being told. People may have:

Not received enough accurate information to recognize the threat,
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When people doubt a threat is real, they may seek further confirmation. They may consult community leaders or experts for specific opinions. They might want to know how others are responding before they take action. Or the message may be so far outside a person’s experience that he or she simply can’t make sense of it and thus chooses to ignore it.

Denial can, at least in part, be prevented or addressed with clear consistent communication from a trusted source. If your audience receives and understands a consistent message from multiple trusted sources, they will be more likely to believe that message and act on it.


You asked a simple question to which I gave a straight reply. Am I being overly sensitive or are you saying that I'm in denial?

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Some of you may be interested in this. This here is a scientific realtime dashboard which tracks the genomic epidemiology of COVID-19. In a few words, it tracks the mutation and transmission paths of COVID-19 spreading across the world. You can "play" it to show a video of the transmission paths and spread over time and what countries are most active transmitting it, by date. Here is just a snapshot of what this looks like:

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And for those who want to more dashboards, here are two more.

This is the John Hopkins University COVID-19 dashboard:

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This is another COVID-19 tracker dashboard that has better breakdowns and statistics by country:

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Originally Posted by gwing
Originally Posted by TimM_980
Why would you want a person to come to your home when they’ve gone from place to place tuning pianos?


I would want them to come round because my piano needed a tune, and because I wouldn't want to see their livelihood destroyed by this.

Ideally either the tuner or ourselves would have already had the virus, recovered, and now be immune. Then provided hands are washed before and after the visit there should be no real risk to anyone involved.


And how would you know the tuner and you have immunity? How would you know that you and the tuner are not asymptomatic carriers? The guidance is to avoid all social contact and not guess that it will be ok.


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Originally Posted by dogperson
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Why would you want a person to come to your home when they’ve gone from place to place tuning pianos?


I would want them to come round because my piano needed a tune, and because I wouldn't want to see their livelihood destroyed by this.

Ideally either the tuner or ourselves would have already had the virus, recovered, and now be immune. Then provided hands are washed before and after the visit there should be no real risk to anyone involved.


And how would you know the tuner and you have immunity?



If you need absolute certainty an immunoglobulin test would show this. Accurate tests suitable for home use (no lab required) are just becoming available although at present expensive and not yet available in quantity.

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How would you know that you and the tuner are not asymptomatic carriers?


A positive immunoglobulin test would also show that. However to avoid spreading alarm, although asymptomatic carriers could in theory exist, I don't think there is evidence for them yet. A 'typhoid Mary' hasn't emerged yet, AFAIK.

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The guidance is to avoid all social contact and not guess that it will be ok.


Yes, but this is business contact, not social contact. That said, in a very short period of days I suspect the guidance here will change to also prohibit a lot of business contact as well..

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Originally Posted by gwing

Yes, but this is business contact, not social contact. That said, in a very short period of days I suspect the guidance here will change to also prohibit a lot of business contact as well..


NHS England says not to have people come into your home at this time. Please review the information at this link and follow the directions of your government to protect your health and the health of your community.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/

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Why would you want a person to come to your home when they’ve gone from place to place tuning pianos?


I would want them to come round because my piano needed a tune, and because I wouldn't want to see their livelihood destroyed by this.

Ideally either the tuner or ourselves would have already had the virus, recovered, and now be immune. Then provided hands are washed before and after the visit there should be no real risk to anyone involved.


And how would you know the tuner and you have immunity?



If you need absolute certainty an immunoglobulin test would show this. Accurate tests suitable for home use (no lab required) are just becoming available although at present expensive and not yet available in quantity.

Originally Posted by dogperson
How would you know that you and the tuner are not asymptomatic carriers?


A positive immunoglobulin test would also show that. However to avoid spreading alarm, although asymptomatic carriers could in theory exist, I don't think there is evidence for them yet. A 'typhoid Mary' hasn't emerged yet, AFAIK.

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The guidance is to avoid all social contact and not guess that it will be ok.


Yes, but this is business contact, not social contact. That said, in a very short period of days I suspect the guidance here will change to also prohibit a lot of business contact as well..


Please start using valid sources before you post what should/can be done. It is dangerous to others to continue not doing this. You are also making up information which is dangerous to your own health. See Tim’s email below for the national Institute of health. You should read it

Please find a scientific source that says there is a test for immunity coming out and provide the link here. There’s an at home test for checking if you have the virus coming out soon. That is not the same thing is a test for immunity. From the scientific information I have read, Scientists are not even sure yet if you develop long term immunity if you have had the exposure. There is not enough data and they need to test patients who have had the disease over a period of time.
Please provide a source.

Read the NIH information provided by Tim
the CDC in the US is also credible

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Originally Posted by TimM_980
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Yes, but this is business contact, not social contact. That said, in a very short period of days I suspect the guidance here will change to also prohibit a lot of business contact as well..


NHS England says not to have people come into your home at this time. Please review the information at this link and follow the directions of your government to protect your health and the health of your community.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/


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Sad thing about this is there are many more people misinformed and/or think they have an an adequate understanding as a lay person about medicine. This thing is more complex and complicated than most of us are able to understand.

A lot of psychological issues come up when presented with a crisis. Reading this might help some people reflect on what their brain is doing right now:
https://emergency.cdc.gov/cerc/ppt/CERC_Psychology_of_a_Crisis.pdf

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Originally Posted by dogperson

Please find a scientific source that says there is a test for immunity coming out and provide the link here. There’s an at home test for checking if you have the virus coming out soon.


Sorry but I'm not going to post the link as I don't think it is in the public interest to facilitate private demand for tests that could be better made available for key workers, but if you care enough and google around you should be able to find it.

It is not a test to see if you have the virus, it is a test to see if you have had the disease and now have antibodies for it.

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Interesting graphs and tools. Sure has been a crazy week. Who'd have thought a week ago that the world would have changed so much? Anyway, anyone else shut down for the time being? My tuning arm is getting a nice rest.


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I've shut down. Staying home indefinitely.


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I've shut down. Staying home indefinitely.


I've shut down my private business for the time being, but am still going into the university while I can. Wouldn't be surprised if a full campus shutdown is right around the corner, though.

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Originally Posted by Chris Leslie
I've shut down. Staying home indefinitely.


IMO, that is the right thing to do nowadays.
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My last tuning was last Wednesday. I could see that in the near future, things in my state would get to the point where I'd feel uncomfortable going from house to house and possibly carrying germs. I had been sanitizing my tools and bag between visits for probably a week before that, and wearing gloves to tune (surprisingly easy). The last piano I tuned was a marvelously rebuilt Mason A which I had helped some favorite customers buy a few years ago. I also removed a pencil which had fallen under the fallboard, and taught the lady how to remove the fallboard in case I can't get there when the next pencil falls. I was really happy with how the tuning turned out; it was a bittersweet visit for me.

Today, I should have been up in the northeastern corner of the state, tuning a Steinway S on a high school stage for the spring musical, and also a lovely old Baldwin F for an arts council concert in another little town. Instead, I slept till 10 (depression? stress?), tried to eat right, and took the dogs on a walk.

I've been sad and depressed, but I have a written to-do list of things I hope will aid in getting the business back up and running - work on database, update website, clean out workroom, etc. I have a few summer jobs on my list (regulation, key tops), but at this point I don't even want to go into anybody else's home, both for my sake and theirs. Looking at the state unemployment site, I think I qualify, but I've put it off a couple of days because so many people have been applying that it's hard to access.

This is hard and scary, but I do believe that we all have to just work together, stay put, try to stay healthy, and (as the WHO said) try to act as if we're contagious, even though we feel fine.


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