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Re: CLP 645 Sound
peterws #2956556 03/12/20 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Sol Finker
I may be becoming a little paranoid, but I think my DP does not have the same sound everyday.


I don't think you can attribute that to the piano . . .

The thing is there are days when the sound is pretty bad.
If it happens again - God forbid - I will record it, although it may aggravate my paranoia.


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Re: CLP 645 Sound
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Originally Posted by Sol Finker

It seems to me that here in the forum everybody uses either Pianoteq, Garritan or Galaxy.
Pianoteq Stage $129 comes with two instruments. Which ones should I choose?
Steinway D
Bechstein
Petrof
BlΓΌthner

I will first download the Free Trial Version and see what happens

Thank you.

There seems to be a lot of different (and strong) opinions about Pianoteq. I really like it and I use pretty much only the Steinway B. I think the "Home" preset makes a very good instrument for practicing.

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Re: CLP 645 Sound
johanibraaten #2956561 03/12/20 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by johanibraaten

There seems to be a lot of different (and strong) opinions about Pianoteq. I really like it and I use pretty much only the Steinway B. I think the "Home" preset makes a very good instrument for practicing.

I'll see which instruments come with the trial version.

Thank you.


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Re: CLP 645 Sound
Sol Finker #2956562 03/12/20 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sol Finker
Originally Posted by johanibraaten

There seems to be a lot of different (and strong) opinions about Pianoteq. I really like it and I use pretty much only the Steinway B. I think the "Home" preset makes a very good instrument for practicing.

I'll see which instruments come with the trial version.

Thank you.

You can try all the instruments in the trial version.


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Sol Finker #2956565 03/12/20 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Sol Finker
Originally Posted by johanibraaten

There seems to be a lot of different (and strong) opinions about Pianoteq. I really like it and I use pretty much only the Steinway B. I think the "Home" preset makes a very good instrument for practicing.

I'll see which instruments come with the trial version.

Thank you.


As johanibraaten mentioned, the demo version has all instruments so you may try them and choose which ones you like best. Some black notes do not work though and there are a 20 minutes limit after which you need to restart it. But it is otherwise fully functional.

Take a look at this topic I opened, it may help (it helped me). Bear in mind the answers are opinions though; at the end of the day, your own opinion is what matters the most.


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Re: CLP 645 Sound
Sol Finker #2956631 03/12/20 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Sol Finker
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I may be becoming a little paranoid, but I think my DP does not have the same sound everyday.


I don't think you can attribute that to the piano . . .

The thing is there are days when the sound is pretty bad.
If it happens again - God forbid - I will record it, although it may aggravate my paranoia.


I never switch mine off . . . . .


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Sol Finker #2956632 03/12/20 12:15 PM
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Maybe a digital piano tuner can fix this problem? smile

Re: CLP 645 Sound
Sol Finker #2956639 03/12/20 12:35 PM
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I have just installed the trial version and it lets one use the CLP as output.
Very good sound but... echoed
Any ideas?


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Re: CLP 645 Sound
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Its weird, but i also notice something like that (on my Kawai CA78). But i mostly attribute it to my hearing, maybe different temperature, humidity, etc, changes the aprecciation, plus going to work and college i get many altitude changes so your ears get clogged (you just need to yawn for that tho).

What i did some time ago, is to separate the DP some distance forom the wall (or bed in my case) and remove the cloth cover i have completely, so nothing interferes with the sound.

Also, sometimes my playing changes a bit, so you can also make the DP play by itself (like some recommended) or with the included demos. Sometimes i think im just tired so thats why its sounds different. Also depending at what time do you play you get different levels of ambient noises.

All of this considering using the internal speakers.


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Do not press any keys, buttons or pedals until the instrument has completely started up (roughly ten seconds after turning on the switch). Doing so may cause some keys to not play normally or some other malfunction to occur.


Source: https://usa.yamaha.com/files/download/other_assets/7/1244747/n1x_en_om_wb0.pdf#page12[/quote]

Kawai says the same on their manuals that i know, its kind of annoying considering the DP's with a touchscreen turn on a lot slower because of the wonky interface, but the piano is actually ready to play way before the screen finishes loading.


My piano history in about 15 months: Artesia PA88w -> Yamaha P45 -> Kawai CN 24 -> Kawai CN 37 -> Kawai CA 78
Done with: Clair de Lune - Debussy, Waltz Op. 64 no. 2 - Chopin. Looking for a new piece, kind of learning The Mandalorian theme, and practicing with Etude Op.10 no.1 - Chopin.
Re: CLP 645 Sound
Sol Finker #2956660 03/12/20 01:23 PM
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Sol: You're using an instrument (Pianoteq) and you're playing it throuch your piano speakers, right?
But aren't you simultaneously playing the piano's native sound through those speakers?
If you are, that would explain the echo. You're playing two pianos at once!

To eliminate it, find out how to turn off "Local Control" on the piano. Consult the user manual.
When you turn that off the piano will not generate sound. You'll only hear the PC-based instrument.

It might be awkward to turn that off ... and later turn it on again when you decide to turn off Pianoteq and use the piano's harpsichord voice.

But you won't be touching the Local Control setting for very long.
You'll come to despise the piano's el-cheap speakers and you'll buy proper speakers. And you'll never look back.

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But you won't be touching the Local Control setting for very long.
You'll come to despise the piano's el-cheap speakers and you'll buy proper speakers. And you'll never look back.


Just imagine how much worse they must be on the 515!
Yet, for a small room, they sound really good.
What everybody needs is headphones cheap enough to make those speakers sound good in comparison. It's surprisingly easy to do . . .


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Sol Finker #2956713 03/12/20 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sol Finker
I have just installed the trial version and it lets one use the CLP as output.
Very good sound but... echoed
Any ideas?



Exactly, turn Local Control Off(Disable the internal sounds)

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1. Becoming paranoid or does my DP have a problem


Paranoid for sure. I know what you mean. I call it "aural inertia". The ears doesn't work like a machine. On one day you will find the sound of your dp very pleasant. On the other day you feel that every piece you are playing sounds bad. It's not a DP problem.


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Re: CLP 645 Sound
Otavio #2956885 03/13/20 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac

To eliminate it, find out how to turn off "Local Control" on the piano. Consult the user manual.
When you turn that off the piano will not generate sound. You'll only hear the PC-based instrument.

Originally Posted by Otavio

Exactly, turn Local Control Off(Disable the internal sounds)

It worked, but the speakers do what they can do, not much more...


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Re: CLP 645 Sound
Tyr #2956886 03/13/20 12:57 PM
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1. Becoming paranoid or does my DP have a problem


Paranoid for sure. I know what you mean. I call it "aural inertia". The ears doesn't work like a machine. On one day you will find the sound of your dp very pleasant. On the other day you feel that every piece you are playing sounds bad. It's not a DP problem.

New concept.
Does it happen with an acoustic piano too?


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Re: CLP 645 Sound
Sol Finker #2956905 03/13/20 02:23 PM
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1. Becoming paranoid or does my DP have a problem


Paranoid for sure. I know what you mean. I call it "aural inertia". The ears doesn't work like a machine. On one day you will find the sound of your dp very pleasant. On the other day you feel that every piece you are playing sounds bad. It's not a DP problem.

New concept.
Does it happen with an acoustic piano too?


Only if folk write in making you aware of it's perceived limitations . . . .


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So, in my case what i was hearing different was that the speakers settings were on "low" instead of "normal". Probably while i was loooking at the settings and saving a new favourite, and since the touchscreen or interface is wonky when you scroll down you sometimes activate options.


My piano history in about 15 months: Artesia PA88w -> Yamaha P45 -> Kawai CN 24 -> Kawai CN 37 -> Kawai CA 78
Done with: Clair de Lune - Debussy, Waltz Op. 64 no. 2 - Chopin. Looking for a new piece, kind of learning The Mandalorian theme, and practicing with Etude Op.10 no.1 - Chopin.
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Originally Posted by Sol Finker
Originally Posted by MacMacMac

To eliminate it, find out how to turn off "Local Control" on the piano. Consult the user manual.
When you turn that off the piano will not generate sound. You'll only hear the PC-based instrument.

Originally Posted by Otavio

Exactly, turn Local Control Off(Disable the internal sounds)

It worked, but the speakers do what they can do, not much more...



Maybe an external powered speakers with internal speakers and maybe a little eq !?

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Originally Posted by Otavio

Maybe an external powered speakers with internal speakers and maybe a little eq !?

Will Yamaha HS5 do the job?
Any other suggestion, so I can spare some money for buying Pianoteq? (Presonus Eris are much cheaper!)

BTW, I have seen an offer that comes in a bundle with the cables that seem 1/4" jack but stereo ones (three contacts). I thought it had to be mono jacks...

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Sol Finker #2957016 03/14/20 06:22 AM
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What a dilemma!
You want to buy the cheaper Eris speakers (which won't sound as good) in order to save money to buy Pianoteq (which does a poor job of emulating a piano).
Mistake!

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