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#2955295 03/08/20 04:18 AM
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Hi,

Have got CFX Lite, but wondering about the key differences with Full, from someone who has made the transition. In particular:

- sound quality - I know the close mics will make a difference, but currently I find the attack of the mid treble, and the overall resonance too much. Can this / does this change?

- pedalling - any change here? - I currently find the sustain pedal too sensitive, with no free play, making it very difficult to half-pedal reliably.( The pedal is calibrated well for the naked sound on my N2 and with Pianoteq)

- I can imagine the loading time is increased, but is the CPU load also increased (my ageing laptop (3.2GHx and 8 meg of RAM) just about copes with CFX Lite with 10ms latency which I like, but not sure if it would cope with the full package.

Thanks.

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From what I understand the software itself is identical - the only difference is that the full version includes the ambient mics of the classic perspective, and two additional perspectives (both of which are comprised of close and ambient mics).

I can't say anything about the CPU or RAM load - although obviously, more RAM is going to be used. Some users reported that the software has issues with RAM leakage or something like that, but that's only an issue if you intend on running it for many hours or even days, as some users here have laptops that are always turned on and have the instrument loaded. But for normal use (a few hours at a time), I didn't experience any issues.

The ambient mic is really, really worth it. Takes the sound to another level and makes the Lite version sound lifeless and dry, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Grazilerimba
From what I understand the software itself is identical - the only difference is that the full version includes the ambient mics of the classic perspective, and two additional perspectives (both of which are comprised of close and ambient mics).

I can't say anything about the CPU or RAM load - although obviously, more RAM is going to be used. Some users reported that the software has issues with RAM leakage or something like that, but that's only an issue if you intend on running it for many hours or even days, as some users here have laptops that are always turned on and have the instrument loaded. But for normal use (a few hours at a time), I didn't experience any issues.

The ambient mic is really, really worth it. Takes the sound to another level and makes the Lite version sound lifeless and dry, in my opinion.

+1. Can’t add more to that.

P.S. I used to keep it running for weeks/months without a restart on my Mac Mini. No issues whatsoever.

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Does Garritan CFX record everything you play the same way that pianoteq does? I think that is a really neat thing. smile

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Originally Posted by Boboulus
Does Garritan CFX record everything you play the same way that pianoteq does? I think that is a really neat thing. smile

No, you have to include it in a VST host. A DAW (Cakewalk by example, it is free) if you want to edit the record (trimming the blank record between the record start and the actual play), or something simpler like Cantabile.

If you really want the « it records every thing, no need to press record », the last Cubase version has this feature.


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Chris Warren #2955521 03/08/20 05:31 PM
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If you don't want to bother with a VST host, you can also let pianoteq run in the background and mute its output.
I created a "STFU" profile specifically for that. laugh


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Originally Posted by Granyala
If you don't want to bother with a VST host, you can also let pianoteq run in the background and mute its output.
I created a "STFU" profile specifically for that. laugh

Some MIDI drivers don’t allow two simultaneous applications (Garritan, Pianoteq) to access them. wink

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Originally Posted by Chris Warren
- sound quality - I know the close mics will make a difference, but currently I find the attack of the mid treble, and the overall resonance too much. Can this / does this change?
The Full>Default>Classic brings a lot of ambience to bear and also smooths out some of the sounds and a bit of phasing IMHO. I don't like Garritan CFX lite with just the close mics.

The mics are a bit noisy and adding another pair of mics boosts noise naturally, so I reduce the "volume" of the ambient mic a bit.
Originally Posted by Chris Warren
- pedalling - any change here? - I currently find the sustain pedal too sensitive, with no free play, making it very difficult to half-pedal reliably.( The pedal is calibrated well for the naked sound on my N2 and with Pianoteq)
Try the CyberGene pedaling patch which is linked here. You can change the parameters as you like. That should work on both versions of Garritan CFX
Originally Posted by Chris Warren
- I can imagine the loading time is increased, but is the CPU load also increased (my ageing laptop (3.2GHx and 8 meg of RAM) just about copes with CFX Lite with 10ms latency which I like, but not sure if it would cope with the full package.
I don't know what 10ms of latency means but I can run Garritan CFX Full at 44,1KHz with a buffer of 48 on a older laptop with a 3.2GHz Intel i5 6300HQ (2015 Dell XPS). I don't see a performance hit with more mics. YMMV.

I have tested Garritan CFX Full on this laptop with a variety of configurations (8GB & 32GB of RAM, excellent SATA & nvme SSDs). Also tried with newer generation i7 HQ. I can't notice any performance differences.

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Loading time is over 30 seconds. The SSD type (SATA vs nvme) did not change that. You can change Inst Disk Pre Caching in Garritan to a lower number to speed loading times but that might hurt latency performance. I don't recall CFX Full loading times being much more irritating than those of CFX lite.

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About recording, you can record in the Garritan player, but only as wave audio (WAW files). Not as MIDI, for that you need a DAW, as has been noted already, or Pianoteq.

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Originally Posted by Granyala
If you don't want to bother with a VST host, you can also let pianoteq run in the background and mute its output.
I created a "STFU" profile specifically for that. laugh

Some MIDI drivers don’t allow two simultaneous applications (Garritan, Pianoteq) to access them. wink

True, in that case, there is no way around a VST host.

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Loading time is over 30 seconds. The SSD type (SATA vs nvme) did not change that.

Th biggest cut in loading times is excluding the Garritan folder from your Anti Virus solution.

Brought mine down from a minute to 15s or so.

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Originally Posted by Granyala
Th biggest cut in loading times is excluding the Garritan folder from your Anti Virus solution.

Brought mine down from a minute to 15s or so.

Forgot about that trick. What a difference with a new, fast nvme SSD!

I made a slight difference on my SATA SSD.

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On my PC the Antivirus multiply the delay of loading by 2 on a SATA SSD. Excluding the Garritan directory was very efficient.

I would like to insert a Nvme SSD, but they generally need a PCIe x4... when my PC has only a PCIe x1. Then I would have to change the whole PC.


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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
I would like to insert a Nvme SSD, but they generally need a PCIe x4... when my PC has only a PCIe x1. Then I would have to change the whole PC.
It is tough to beat a good SATA SSD for most users.

Running nvme on a x1 slot would be irritating. Not sure you would notice any change in performance anyways. Your wallet would lol.

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Originally Posted by Granyala

Th biggest cut in loading times is excluding the Garritan folder from your Anti Virus solution.

Brought mine down from a minute to 15s or so.


No way. Just tried it, down to 13.8s. Thank you!

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Would some kind soul be able to upload a short track recorded with CFX Lite and Full?

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Originally Posted by Chris Warren
Would some kind soul be able to upload a short track recorded with CFX Lite and Full?


Om Garritans website you can compare them both with many different tracks they have on soundcloud.


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