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Wandering 5th Finger #2951987 02/26/20 09:57 PM
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Ive noticed for many years that my pinky fingers (5) just naturally point a little away from my hand while relaxed. I hope that description makes sense. It doesn’t show up an awful lot with playing so far except when I try to play a root and 5 or 6 together fast. I’m just taking a shot at seeing if anyone else has this issue and possibly any advice. Thanks.


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Re: Wandering 5th Finger [Re: dobro] #2951991 02/26/20 10:03 PM
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I never noticed before, but mine do too when I straighten my fingers, although it's not by much.

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Re: Wandering 5th Finger [Re: johnstaf] #2952012 02/26/20 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by johnstaf
I never noticed before, but mine do too when I straighten my fingers, although it's not by much.


I’ve seen photos of myself from 25 years back and there’s about a 3/4 or so inch gap between my 4 and 5. I’m just hoping that I can find a way to keep it from being problematic, along with arthritis deformities, with playing.


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Re: Wandering 5th Finger [Re: dobro] #2952040 02/27/20 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dobro
Ive noticed for many years that my pinky fingers (5) just naturally point a little away from my hand while relaxed. I hope that description makes sense. It doesn’t show up an awful lot with playing so far except when I try to play a root and 5 or 6 together fast. I’m just taking a shot at seeing if anyone else has this issue and possibly any advice. Thanks.


Can you post a photo or video? I'm having trouble imagining what you're describing.

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I think this has been discussed. i did wontder about my 5th as I noticed long ago when I recorded it was higher. My teacher has mentioned many others things with technique I have never noticed. However never fifth finger. I have been told about high wrist, collapsing DIP joints, having more clurred fingers on the black notes and slightly straighter on the white notes. I think we discussed the anatomy that the 5th is closely related to the 4th so this may be a normal movement of the hand. Lifting the fourth finger ofter needs the 5th to be lifted. I have an agility exercise to work on which is basically trills on the 4th and 5th left and right hands and noticed my third and second are higher when I do these. So it is all very interlinked. Unless your teacher has noted a problem I would not worry. I would to be discuss with your teacher. You will get some 1 to 1 personalised advice that is likely to be helpful or maybe reassurance there is no problem. I would never dream of asking for technique advice on piano world forum! If you wish to entertain this I wish you luck. It may result in piano world argument. people have their own views and often these are fixed. My advice is not to get advice here on technique. I think it would be silly to post hand photos and videos. I would beg you to go to your teacher with these. If you have to get advice here I would only do it if you have asked your teacher and have been given what you think is poor advice and you want a second opinion. But even this I would not do. sorry piano people just I dont think forum is the best place for this sort of advice laugh

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Re: Wandering 5th Finger [Re: dobro] #2952347 02/27/20 07:13 PM
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This is my hand at rest. I can move the (5) fine but this is the natural way it is.

I agree Moo, it’s kind of a long shot to seek help on a forum but I’m self learning, for better or worse, and I’m not sure if my Dr even knows what a piano is. [img]http://[/img]

Scrap this post, I can’t figure how to get a pic loaded.


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Re: Wandering 5th Finger [Re: dobro] #2952351 02/27/20 07:44 PM
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I don't think learners should worry about the appearance of their fingers as long as they work for them in the way they're meant to.

I've seen kids with flat fingers, splayed-out fingers, 'excessively' curled fingers (not all at the same time), yet they play fine. A teacher who is wise will leave things well alone unless there are technical issues, tension issues etc. The priority is to ensure that they are playing correctly without unnecessary tension, rather than what they look like. Adult learners who notice visual 'oddities' on themselves start over-thinking, and when they try to 'correct' what they perceive as not kosher (probably based on watching YT videos of their piano idols) they just end up developing lots of tension and cramping their style.

FWIW, when I started learning piano, my non-playing fingers stuck out like rods. My teacher never corrected me. Within a few months, they started curving naturally as I developed finger control. (I'm basing it on photos my uncle took when I visited him and played duets with my cousins.) But what never changed were my pinkies, which always did 'collapse' at the middle (PIP) joints and bent at various angles at the distal joint when playing above mp. And they stuck out intermittently depending on what I was about to play. (BTW, I never noticed that until I made video recordings for a piano website a few years ago.) And none of my four teachers over the ten years I had lessons ever mentioned it, meaning that they never considered it to be a problem. I was a trusting kid when I was a student, and if my teachers were happy, so was I smirk .

What about now? Well, if anyone watching me play the piano (which is quite a number over the years I've been performing in public) thought my fingers look 'odd', they never mentioned it to me. Maybe because my playing was OK, despite the visual/cosmetic infelicities? grin


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Re: Wandering 5th Finger [Re: dobro] #2952372 02/27/20 09:39 PM
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The pic that I took with my hand naturally at rest on keys shows how my 5 would be on the 6th key from my thumb instead of the 5th. I’m trying to pay more attention as I go but it seems to want to “reach out”. It’s not the curl or and up/down issue.


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Originally Posted by dobro
The pic that I took with my hand naturally at rest on keys shows how my 5 would be on the 6th key from my thumb instead of the 5th. I’m trying to pay more attention as I go but it seems to want to “reach out”. It’s not the curl or and up/down issue.

Don't worry about it if it's not impeding your playing - and definitely don't let it prey on your mind to the extent of causing unwanted tension.


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Re: Wandering 5th Finger [Re: dobro] #2952409 02/28/20 02:10 AM
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Thanks Bennevis, I didn’t have as much of a problem with trying that fast chord today so I may just need to stay mindful of it in practice.


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Re: Wandering 5th Finger [Re: dobro] #2952528 02/28/20 11:32 AM
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I'd say having a big natural span between 4th and 5th is an advantage.
As well as between other fingers.


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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
I'd say having a big natural span between 4th and 5th is an advantage.
As well as between other fingers.


Great point, I suppose I should just stay mindful of where my fingers are at all times. It does help with some inversions.


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