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Arthur Rubinstein's connection with Camille Saint-Saëns #2951913 02/26/20 05:36 PM
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Everyone lauds Rubinstein as one of the greatest interpreters of Chopin. But I find that he is THE greatest intepreter of Saint-Saëns, despite having a limited repertoire of Saint-Saëns.

Rubinstein performed the Saint-Saëns Second Piano Concerto in G minor (Op. 22) when he was just a 17 year old boy (in the year 1904), with Saint-Saëns himself present! In an interview, he said that he visited Saint-Saëns after the performance. He mentioned that Saint-Saëns's favorite Chopin was the four scherzi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MupNg0GuGU

In addition, in a 1947 recording of Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 4 in G major (Op. 58), Rubinstein did not pick Busoni's transcription of Beethoven's cadenza (as he did for most of his performances of Beethoven #4), but rather he picked Saint-Saëns's cadenza.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvstnrC9bJ8

Rubinstein had an affinity with Saint-Saëns that lasted for the rest of his life. He plays the Saint-Saëns Concerto below, in 1975 as an old man (I believe he was 88 years old):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVCvJZtzkqQ

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Re: Arthur Rubinstein's connection with Camille Saint-Saëns [Re: iaintagreatpianist] #2951936 02/26/20 06:27 PM
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This is interesting. Thanks for the link to Rubinstein’s comments on Saint-Saens.

Rubinstein other comments are interesting too. We have become too uptight at classical concerts perhaps, although there is a fine line between that and being disruptive.

His autobiography makes very interesting reading and gives great insight into a now-vanished era.


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Re: Arthur Rubinstein's connection with Camille Saint-Saëns [Re: terentius] #2951945 02/26/20 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by terentius
This is interesting. Thanks for the link to Rubinstein’s comments on Saint-Saens.

No problem. I somehow wonder, in an alternate universe where Rubinstein never met the Weirtheim family (who inspired him to become a great Chopin interpreter), would Rubinstein have chosen to record more from Saint-Saëns? The Fourth Concerto (Op. 44), the Op. 52 & Op. 111 Études, etc? That would've been interesting...

But I thank that we have any recordings of Rubinstein playing Saint-Saëns at all.


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Re: Arthur Rubinstein's connection with Camille Saint-Saëns [Re: iaintagreatpianist] #2951954 02/26/20 07:39 PM
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I don't think a pianist can be considered the greatest interpreter of Saint Saens(or any other composer)if they only perform one piece(or even a few) by that composer.
One could reasonably say that the pianist is the greatest interpreter of a particular work by the composer. Being considered the greatest interpreter of a composer logically requires that the pianist performs a reasonably large percent of the composer's work.

Re: Arthur Rubinstein's connection with Camille Saint-Saëns [Re: pianoloverus] #2952008 02/26/20 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I don't think a pianist can be considered the greatest interpreter of Saint Saens(or any other composer)if they only perform one piece(or even a few) by that composer.
One could reasonably say that the pianist is the greatest interpreter of a particular work by the composer. Being considered the greatest interpreter of a composer logically requires that the pianist performs a reasonably large percent of the composer's work.

Perhaps you're right. My opinion has been modified: Arthur Rubinstein plays Saint-Saëns G minor Concerto the way I think it ought to be played: musically perfectly.


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Re: Arthur Rubinstein's connection with Camille Saint-Saëns [Re: iaintagreatpianist] #2952014 02/26/20 11:39 PM
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I love Rubinstein in the G minor. It's one of my favourite concertos.

Re: Arthur Rubinstein's connection with Camille Saint-Saëns [Re: iaintagreatpianist] #2954277 03/04/20 06:55 PM
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Rubinstein said it was the 4th Scherzo, not all 4 of them, if you listen to the 2nd concerto you know why.


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Re: Arthur Rubinstein's connection with Camille Saint-Saëns [Re: dolce sfogato] #2954884 03/06/20 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
Rubinstein said it was the 4th Scherzo, not all 4 of them, if you listen to the 2nd concerto you know why.

Whoops, sorry! Misheard him


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