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An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L #2951003 02/24/20 01:39 PM
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https://sites.google.com/view/repertoireguide/romantic-composer-guide/romantic-comparisons

Links and commentary to interesting textures from the piano music of each composer.

The goal is to have fun, discover new music, and compare the different Early Romantic styles.

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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: achoo42] #2951034 02/24/20 03:02 PM
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I don't see much point to the site which consists of snippets from various pieces by each composer. Don't most people want to listen to the whole piece from the beginning(or at least start listening at the beginning) and not some random interval from the piece selected by the site's author? The site where this appears is intended to help those auditioning for a music school. Wouldn't those people want to listen to the entire piece if it was a piece they were considering learning?

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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: achoo42] #2951165 02/24/20 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by achoo42
https://sites.google.com/view/repertoireguide/romantic-composer-guide/romantic-comparisons
Links and commentary to interesting textures from the piano music of each composer.
The goal is to have fun, discover new music, and compare the different Early Romantic styles.
Also get AdBlocker if you haven't already...


"Links and commentary..."

Yes, the links of the examples I listened to were to Youtube recordings. I wonder who has the time, energy, and interest to wade through all the inanities that Youtube commentaries reveal. Examples:
"Man, this looks hard as heck, but sounds so darn beautiful"
"I wish Chopin had a youtube channel and uploaded new music every week."
"I just want that someone loves me as much as Schumann loved these gallop rythms
"A piano prodigy at our school played this at a talent show."
... and on it goes.

The commentaries from the creator (?) of the website itself are not much more revealing nor particularly helpful to anyone working towards an audition. This is a guide for all your audition repertoire needs [!], although really it could just be a great general guide for your next piece to play (if you are an advanced player) or competition-level pieces.

This person doesn't seem to want to identify him/herself nor does s/he give any acquired credentials that might give some credence to the commentaries or justify the website.
Examples:
"Literally any major work by Schumann will be extremely impressive if performed well. Schumann is highly complex and much harder than it looks; don't even attempt his music if you don't have much time."
"Brahms Handel and Paganini Variations Book 1 or 2. Both are tremendously difficult and a good performance will be stunning."
"Chopin Scherzos and Ballades are overplayed, depending on the school. They would certainly work if played exceptionally but again, judges like to see newer things."
"Sonatas of Barber, Bartok, and Prokofiev are physically very challenging and can leave a big mark."

I don't see the usefulness of this "Audition Repertoire Guide" since it's all known repertoire for anyone having studied long enough to have acquired the technique to play any of these pieces.

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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: BruceD] #2951207 02/25/20 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BruceD
Originally Posted by achoo42
https://sites.google.com/view/repertoireguide/romantic-composer-guide/romantic-comparisons
Links and commentary to interesting textures from the piano music of each composer.
The goal is to have fun, discover new music, and compare the different Early Romantic styles.
Also get AdBlocker if you haven't already...


"Links and commentary..."

Yes, the links of the examples I listened to were to Youtube recordings. I wonder who has the time, energy, and interest to wade through all the inanities that Youtube commentaries reveal. Examples:
"Man, this looks hard as heck, but sounds so darn beautiful"
"I wish Chopin had a youtube channel and uploaded new music every week."
"I just want that someone loves me as much as Schumann loved these gallop rythms
"A piano prodigy at our school played this at a talent show."
... and on it goes.

The commentaries from the creator (?) of the website itself are not much more revealing nor particularly helpful to anyone working towards an audition. This is a guide for all your audition repertoire needs [!], although really it could just be a great general guide for your next piece to play (if you are an advanced player) or competition-level pieces.

This person doesn't seem to want to identify him/herself nor does s/he give any acquired credentials that might give some credence to the commentaries or justify the website.
Examples:
"Literally any major work by Schumann will be extremely impressive if performed well. Schumann is highly complex and much harder than it looks; don't even attempt his music if you don't have much time."
"Brahms Handel and Paganini Variations Book 1 or 2. Both are tremendously difficult and a good performance will be stunning."
"Chopin Scherzos and Ballades are overplayed, depending on the school. They would certainly work if played exceptionally but again, judges like to see newer things."
"Sonatas of Barber, Bartok, and Prokofiev are physically very challenging and can leave a big mark."

I don't see the usefulness of this "Audition Repertoire Guide" since it's all known repertoire for anyone having studied long enough to have acquired the technique to play any of these pieces.

Regards,


This website is for high school students looking to enter university.

You severely overestimate the deductive capabilities of high school students. Even the experienced pianists have a vastly lacking knowledge of the repertoire that they ought to know.

They cannot wade through real musical analysis like Charles Rosen or William Caplin. They do not care about credentials. I think you will have to allow this website some breadth in regards to its target audience.

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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: achoo42] #2951229 02/25/20 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by achoo42
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This website is for high school students looking to enter university.

You severely overestimate the deductive capabilities of high school students. Even the experienced pianists have a vastly lacking knowledge of the repertoire that they ought to know.
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Duly noted; thank you.


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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: achoo42] #2951405 02/25/20 01:33 PM
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I think that even high school students, if they are good enough to consider majoring in piano, would/should have listened to most of the major pieces in the piano literature by the time they are ready to apply. In the age of Youtube this seems very easy to do. If one wants to major in piano performance, I would hope one loves it enough to have reasonably explored a lot of the major works for piano by the time one is applying to a music school.

Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: pianoloverus] #2951672 02/26/20 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I think that even high school students, if they are good enough to consider majoring in piano, would/should have listened to most of the major pieces in the piano literature by the time they are ready to apply. In the age of Youtube this seems very easy to do. If one wants to major in piano performance, I would hope one loves it enough to have reasonably explored a lot of the major works for piano by the time one is applying to a music school.


This is unfortunately false

Most of them will have knowledge of the standards by Chopin, Rachmaninov, Liszt, and Beethoven

Some of them will know the works of Ravel, Prokofiev, Debussy, Schubert

Very few will have listened to Scriabin, Schumann, Haydn, or

At least this is my experience with students, because they exclusively watch videos from popular channels like Kassia and Rousseau who possess a very limited and mainstream repertoire.

https://youtu.be/Hf2MFBz4S_g


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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: achoo42] #2951780 02/26/20 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by achoo42
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
I think that even high school students, if they are good enough to consider majoring in piano, would/should have listened to most of the major pieces in the piano literature by the time they are ready to apply. In the age of Youtube this seems very easy to do. If one wants to major in piano performance, I would hope one loves it enough to have reasonably explored a lot of the major works for piano by the time one is applying to a music school.
This is unfortunately false Most of them will have knowledge of the standards by Chopin, Rachmaninov, Liszt, and Beethoven Some of them will know the works of Ravel, Prokofiev, Debussy, Schubert Very few will have listened to Scriabin, Schumann, Haydn. At least this is my experience with students, because they exclusively watch videos from popular channels like Kassia and Rousseau who possess a very limited and mainstream repertoire.

https://youtu.be/Hf2MFBz4S_g
Haydn and Scriabin I can understand....but Schumann?
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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: Carey] #2951803 02/26/20 11:37 AM
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Young people do not understand Schumann in the slightest


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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: achoo42] #2951813 02/26/20 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by achoo42
Young people do not understand Schumann in the slightest
Guess I was an exception. I don't know how much I "understood" his music back then, but as a young teenager I really enjoyed playing (not well) Schumsnn's Papillons, Kinderzenen, and a handful of shorter piano pieces as well as listening to his Rhenish Symphony full blast on our large Magnavox console stereo.. smile


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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: achoo42] #2952072 02/27/20 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by achoo42
Young people do not understand Schumann in the slightest
Where do you get these ideas from? I see no reason why a serious music student wouldn't have listened to Schumann or any major composer for piano like the previously mentioned Debussy and Scriabin by the time they've finished high school.

Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: achoo42] #2952075 02/27/20 05:32 AM
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From looking at his previous posts, I suspect this link is Achoo’s creation.
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Re: An interactive guide to the music of Chopin, Schumann, and L [Re: achoo42] #2952129 02/27/20 09:27 AM
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I think it is an issue if a site that is targeted to give advice to students does not include credentials. What is the experience of the people(s) who wrote these advices ? Why would they be relevant and why should a student follow these recommendations ?

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
I think it is an issue if a site that is targeted to give advice to students does not include credentials. What is the experience of the people(s) who wrote these advices ? Why would they be relevant and why should a student follow these recommendations ?
Yes, it is a tad strange that the name/credentials of the person who created the site are not listed.


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