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Alicia Keys - Moonlight Sonata #2951247 02/25/20 04:09 AM
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https://youtu.be/bT6WmWVYPhI

Wondered what people thought of this? Considering the situation and emotion, I thought it was pretty impressive. I’m not sure how high her level is but I thought she did really well, it was one of Kobe Bryant’s favourite pieces too.

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I thought she played it really well. You can see her hands are shaking from nerves nearly the whole time and that makes it so much harder to get your touch just right which is what the first movement needs.

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I don't know who Alicia Keys is but yeah she did a good job at this event. I wondered why the lid was not open on the piano, was that actually a digital grand? Also looks like at times she kept her foot down on the damper pedal for a long time but it sounded fine. Anyway, overall very emotional.

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I can't begin to imagine how nerve-racking that was. Well done to her.

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Hi, wszxbcl! Within the Pop world, Alicia Keys is quite well known, making her mark as a singer accompanying herself at the piano -- and so this was a very appropriate choice of performer and piece, given that it evidently was one of Kobe Bryant's favorites. It was IMO very tastefully presented -- from a pianistic standpoint, the only thing she consistently failed to negotiate was the open minor ninth (probably because her span isn't that large), but it really didn't detract from the overall effect. A classy presentation, IMO.

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I just did a bit of googling and had no idea she was classically trained from the age of 7, so I guess she must be pretty good! Regardless of that, to deliver a piece with emotion like that against a very tragic backdrop, was hugely impressive. If you look on YouTube, Kobe Bryant also learned by ear (with no knowledge of playing piano!) how to play this piece and he did so for his wife, which is why the song has such a high importance.

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I thought it was a very good job. Alicia is classically trained, so she has the technique to handle the piece. She chose not to do the development section, opting to repeat the first portion. The string backup was a very nice touch, tastefully done. An elegy for Vanessa . . .heartrending.


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Originally Posted by KevinM
...You can see her hands are shaking from nerves nearly the whole time and ...


As others have said, she's a classically trained pianist and an incredibly accomplished performer. I suspect her hands were shaking from emotion. I can only imagine how hard it must have been to play this piece in that setting.

I was wondering about the piano's lid being closed as well, thinking either it was a digital inside a piano shell or else the piano was miked from below maybe? Also, maybe they wanted the lid closed since it was a circular stage?

I also thought she played it too fast, but it's hard to know whether that was a musical choice she made, maybe even something to do with the time allotted, or maybe she just started too fast and kept going (probably this last one is not the reason :P


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Originally Posted by BeeZee4
[...]She chose not to do the development section, opting to repeat the first portion. The string backup was a very nice touch, tastefully done. [...]


Don't assume that that was her choice. It may well have been that of the arranger in view of the situation for which it was prepared. As far as the performance and the string accompaniment were concerned, the less said the better, I guess.

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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
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...You can see her hands are shaking from nerves nearly the whole time and ...

As others have said, she's a classically trained pianist and an incredibly accomplished performer. I suspect her hands were shaking from emotion. I can only imagine how hard it must have been to play this piece in that setting.


I was even more impressed as to how well it was played considering how nervous she appeared. I suppose that is what comes of being a professional performer. The same nerves as the rest of us, but somehow you manage to overcome them.

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She wasn't classically trained, she learned via Suzuki method.


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
She wasn't classically trained, she learned via Suzuki method.

Is that mutually exclusive from classically trained?


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
She wasn't classically trained, she learned via Suzuki method.


She also graduated from the Professional performance Arts School. It is not clear to me how long she studied Suzuki
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Keys


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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She wasn't classically trained, she learned via Suzuki method.

Is that mutually exclusive from classically trained?


Suzuki is its own methodology.


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She wasn't classically trained, she learned via Suzuki method.


She also graduated from the Professional performance Arts School. It is not clear to me how long she studied Suzuki
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alicia_Keys


Correct, that was her high school, she did not attend a conservatory or a college or university piano program.


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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
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She wasn't classically trained, she learned via Suzuki method.

Is that mutually exclusive from classically trained?


Suzuki is its own methodology.


Suziki is a pedagogical approach—- and is used to teach classical music.

A Suziki recital
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Playing classical music is not the same as "classical training". The focus is different in these two methods. Classical training does not stop at high school.


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I do not find this version of Moonlight Sonata to be particularly notable, although I'm glad I don't have to crank up the volume for the pp sections... I generally find that to be an annoyance.

This version of Moonlight Sonata by Tiffany Poon at 13 years old just blows me away though from the delicate first movement to the astounding third movement.



That's not to say Alicia Keys isn't a wonderful artist... she certainly made the best of the circumstances here. She's certainly entertaining -- here she is improvising on the fly with Chris Martin on Clocks (just seems like a random/fun favor):




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I don't think the details of her training matter, and it doesn't seem relevant here to argue about whether Suzuki counts as classical training, whether stopping at HS counts as "classically trained" etc. It seems that she is usually described as a "classically trained pianist," probably because her main work as a musician is not classical music, so her classical background is notable.

In any case, I think the point is that, she's a pianist and professional musician/performer, and more than capable of playing this particular piece of music. The details of this performance, however, are not the usual "concert" ....


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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
It seems that she is usually described as a "classically trained pianist," probably because her main work as a musician is not classical music, so her classical background is notable.


Exactly. One genre of music isn't "better" than the other, and using that description to make people believe that some artists are "better" than others solely due to classical training is a bit hypocritical and just plain incorrect. It's a title to make someone seem more impressive, but there are some amazing self taught musicians, and many, many musicians who learn by a variety of methods, including Suziki. And it's perfectly fine to be who you are. Titles bother me. Talent is what matters, and loads of hard work.

https://slate.com/culture/2005/07/the-canard-of-classical-training.html


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