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$7k budget - should I get a used upright or baby grand?
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Hello,

In the near future I intend to upgrade from my current digital piano to an acoustic that will hopefully serve me for the rest of my life.
My budget isn't very high. Looking to not spend above $7,000 or so.

For that price, should I go for a good used second hand upright like a Yamaha U3, or is it possible to find a used baby grand that beats something like the U3 for that price?
I'd also like to avoid any models that are constructed outside of Japan or Germany.

Thanks in advance!

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I think you can get a nice used 6 foot grand. So not really even a baby grand.

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Probably you could find a better upright than a grand ,but for the moment just look around and
see what is available.You may be able to get a new Yamaha P22 for that price.Look in CL and at
at some dealers.

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If you have the space, I'd go for the grand even if it means that it'll take longer for you to find an affordable one you like. It just sound better and you don't have to stare at a piece of wood in front of you all the time smile

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I am also thinking to my next piano after my N1X, and that should be an acoustic.

And I think you should try a lot of grands.
They are mechanically better, offering more expressions possibilities.
The bass are also deeper.
And it is the real piano. An upright is just a way of making a piano smaller.

On the other hand for the same price with an upright, you could have a better sound (not sure for the basses).


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Check out pianomart.com. You can apply filters to display things in your price range and get a feel for what's out there.


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GnGEmpire:

Welcome to the Forum. You don't say where you are writing from, so we don't know what currency you are referring to in your $7,000.00 budget.

I'll go against the grain of what has been written so far in this thread. You may find a "baby" grand for your $7,000.00 budget, but I strongly doubt - unless you become quite lucky - that you will find a grand that will "serve [you] for the rest of [your] life" at that price. That may depend, in part, on what kind of repertoire you play and how much use you plan for the piano. You would be better with that budget, in my opinion, concentrating on finding an upright.

Whatever you find that you think you might like, it is highly recommended that you have a qualified technician check out the instrument for any hidden problems that might cost money sooner or later.

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As an example only (not promoting this particular dealer), here are several pianos within your price range. Some are Japanese built - other Korea (not so bad). Should give you an idea of what's available.

https://stilwellpianos.com/collections/used-grand-baby-grand

https://stilwellpianos.com/collections/used-upright-pianos


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Originally Posted by Keybender
If you have the space, I'd go for the grand even if it means that it'll take longer for you to find an affordable one you like. It just sound better and you don't have to stare at a piece of wood in front of you all the time smile

So from your comment i guess you have given up on buying an upright?
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Typically you can get a better used upright than baby grand or grand for 7K. Almost always you get more bang for the buck buying used rather than new. If you buy used, even from a piano dealer, you should have an independent piano technician do an inspection so you know more about the piano’s condition, existing wear and tear and what items need fixing or replacing. Thoroughly check out what pianos are available in your area and have fun while you’re shopping. Best wishes on your search and keep us posted on what you find.


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Originally Posted by Carey
As an example only (not promoting this particular dealer), here are several pianos within your price range. Some are Japanese built - other Korea (not so bad). Should give you an idea of what's available.

https://stilwellpianos.com/collections/used-grand-baby-grand

https://stilwellpianos.com/collections/used-upright-pianos



I just noticed, does Stilwell Pianos wheel and set up each used grand and each used upright to the same “under the cow skull between the plants” location or is that a portable backdrop for displaying their instruments?


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You can buy a very nice used piano for 7K.

Grand piano, unless you get super lucky. Not so much.


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If you have the space, I'd go for the grand even if it means that it'll take longer for you to find an affordable one you like. It just sound better and you don't have to stare at a piece of wood in front of you all the time smile
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If you have the space, I'd go for the grand even if it means that it'll take longer for you to find an affordable one you like. It just sound better and you don't have to stare at a piece of wood in front of you all the time smile

So from your comment i guess you have given up on buying an upright?
Ian

not derail this thread but - no! Just, given the choice, I'd prefer a grand by a long shot. In fact, I, somewhat unexpectedly, found a nice small piano I will likely acquire! At some point in the future however I hope I will have the space for a small grand piano.

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If it's a case of a grand at any cost ,no a I would get a good 49" or 50" upright.
An old grand not in good condition is not worth it.,unless you want view or furniture?

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At the $7k price point, I think you will be able to select from some very good, recently made used vertical pianos. Most $7k grands are either going to be much older, well worn, or not good quality pianos (or "promotional" models of better brands).
This isn't going to be the case 100% of the time, but it will be true the majority of the time.

Just looking on PianoMart and sorting by price, within your budget I see a:
2013 Kawai K5
2019 Kawai K500
2007 Schulze-Pollmann 126
2018 Yamaha U3
2012 W Hoffmann 122
2016 Seller ED 132

All of these have the potential to be really, really nice pianos.

Perusing the same price range for grands, only two interesting things popped up, by comparison:
1997 Baldwin M
2005 Boston 163


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Originally Posted by j&j
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As an example only (not promoting this particular dealer), here are several pianos within your price range. Some are Japanese built - other Korea (not so bad). Should give you an idea of what's available.

https://stilwellpianos.com/collections/used-grand-baby-grand

https://stilwellpianos.com/collections/used-upright-pianos



I just noticed, does Stllwell Pianos wheel and set up each used grand and each used upright to the same “under the cow skull between the plants” location or is that a portable backdrop for displaying their instruments?
I don't know for sure, but I assume they move the piano to a fixed location within their store. The background certainly matches the decor of their renovated space. As an FYI, if you visit the Living Pianos website you'll see a similar new set up for display of their pianos The two businesses are now next store to each other in the same shopping mall here in the Valley.


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And sometimes you get really lucky, as I did. A Yamaha P2, barely used--my technician said nothing needed replacing or adjusting--$1800. And he still loves to play it after he tunes it.

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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
At the $7k price point, I think you will be able to select from some very good, recently made used vertical pianos. Most $7k grands are either going to be much older, well worn, or not good quality pianos (or "promotional" models of better brands).
This isn't going to be the case 100% of the time, but it will be true the majority of the time.

Just looking on PianoMart and sorting by price, within your budget I see a:
2013 Kawai K5
2019 Kawai K500
2007 Schulze-Pollmann 126
2018 Yamaha U3
2012 W Hoffmann 122
2016 Seller ED 132

All of these have the potential to be really, really nice pianos.

Perusing the same price range for grands, only two interesting things popped up, by comparison:
1997 Baldwin M
2005 Boston 163


Looks like we have similar taste! LOL

Yeah, if my budget was $7K, those options would be really nice.

Just want to add: For $7K, that's a screaming deal for the 2019 K-500 and 2018 U3.

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Indeed, WeakLeftHand (love your screen name, by the way)--

As with all online sales, it would be worth taking some time to verify the veracity of the claims being made...Ask for documentation, more photos, ask who the servicing technician is, call them to see what they might have to say about the piano, etc. A recording would obviously be a really nice thing to have.

The SP 126 is a neat piano, and not something you see very often...they always had stunning furniture finishes. An ED 132 can be a rather nice big upright piano that's not on everyone's radar as well. But yes, those are attractive looking deals on recently made used pianos, as long as you do your due diligence, since a warranty won't apply to much on this list!

Leel, I'm glad you found a really good deal on a piano you love. I would consider the vertical pianos on this list to be a couple rungs up from a P2 in touch and tone, for the sake of comparison.


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To the OP, if this is to be your forever piano... Instead of starting by asking us "I have $7k, what should I get?" .... How about starting by asking yourself: what kind of piano do you most want?

If what you really want is a $7k piano, then you're ready to go. But if what you really want is a grand piano, then you might consider saving up for another year to see if you can afford a used grand that will be good enough to be your forever piano. If you can get up closer to at least $10k, and if you're willing to do a lot of hunting and buy from a private seller, then you should be able to get a grand piano.


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