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Re: Alternative Scale Fingering
HC110 #2950866 02/24/20 07:07 AM
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It's a feature of the internet to promote these new and amazing technics in all kinds of fields. As said above, stick with your teacher. If you need a good reason, Chopin and the others who came up with the traditional fingerings were better pianists than Robert Kelley from the internetz.

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Re: Alternative Scale Fingering
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Originally Posted by Sidokar
...the standard fingering does not come from CPE Bach...
Thanks. I had been working on this from Graham Fitch but it must mean it was CPE's principles not his fingering.
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The principles for scale fingerings in use today were first proposed by C.P.E. Bach in his treatise, Essay on the True Art of Playing Keyboard Instruments (1753).


So, I still don't know where standard fingering comes from though I understand it was before Hanon. (I used to refer to it as Hanon vs Natural fingering).

In my day I understood the Board would accept any sensible fingering. I've since learnt that they also accept different fingerings going up to those going down.

Originally Posted by Sidokar
The fingering proposed by T. Kelly are not the natural fingering system used by Chopin.
Thanks, again.

I didn't, and wouldn't, check all of the fingerings on the site. I just read the General Fingering Rules, looked at G and D Majors, LH, and saw the 4th on F# so it looked like Natural Fingering.


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So, I still don't know where standard fingering comes from though I understand it was before Hanon. (I used to refer to it as Hanon vs Natural fingering).

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I do not think it is the work of one person. The fingering evolved from the baroque to a more modern one due to the change of music style and the instruments. With more rapid tempo, scale runs and so on, the crossing of fingers used in baroque was no longer applicable. A number of pianists contributed like CPE Bach, Clementi, Czerny, Cramer, Hanon. Roughly by mid 19th century most of the principles of standard fingering were in place. That is already documented in Czerny School of velocity. He is certainly a major contributor. That said alternate fingering for specific purposes were also developed later by Godowsky and other major pianists.

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