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Is this ivory?
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The tech report says plastic and it does look like plastic at initial glance but in certain lighting it has this wooden looking texture.

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Re: Is this ivory?
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I'm no pro, but that doesn't look anything like real ivory to me, although they are very nice looking keytops. They are way to thick and glossy to be real ivory.

I think the tech report is correct.

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You might be able to test by smell.


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How do I do the test by smell?


It is glossy, I always thought ivory keytops are usually more matte.
It also doesn't have the line that separate the tail and the head like they usually have with ivory keytops.

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Composites tend to have a phenolic smell. Ivory smells like teeth. If you have a hot needle, and it is your piano, you can poke it and the difference in smell is apparent, especially if you have ever had dental work.

There was one-piece ivory on a few newer pianos. The sheen on ivory depends on how it was polished.

What make of piano is it? How old is it?


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It's a Bosendorfer made in 1980 I believe. It's located in Australia which might not have the ivory import ban at the time.

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You might send an inquiry with the serial number to Bösendorfer.


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Originally Posted by albydooby
It's a Bosendorfer made in 1980 I believe. It's located in Australia which might not have the ivory import ban at the time.

In that case, it could well be real, one-piece ivory. Bosendorfer is certainly one the best makes in the world.

I have two older pianos that have the real, one-piece ivory keytops and neither of them look that nice. Your keytops seem much more refined and tailored, with the nice rounded edges on the sides. Plus, like I mentioned, judging from the photos, your keytops look thicker than mine. But being a Bosie, maybe they have thicker keytops that contain more ivory material.

The grain you mentioned is certainly a clue they may be real ivory. Maybe if you could contact the tech and inquire/press them a bit more on the keytop material...

Looks like a really nice piano either way.

Good luck!

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Thanks for the suggestions, I didn't think of contacting the manufacturer directly, I might give that a go and see what they have to say. Also I want to find out the type of wood they use for the piano.

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Thanks Rick. I just don't want to get into trouble in case I am moving the piano overseas. Also would be good to know the material out of curiousity!

The tech report did say the piano was not used for a very long time, estimated to be over 20 years in storage, he said it is a time traveling piano! The keys are in perfect condition and look no different to plastic keytops (or maybe it is!) except for the grains which is very faint and can only be seen in certain lighting condition.

I read that one piece keytop is rare so I am curious if mine is indeed ivory. (I don't condone the killing of elephants... )

I've sent an email to Bosendorfer so we'll wait for the confirmation.



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It's a Bosendorfer made in 1980 I believe. It's located in Australia which might not have the ivory import ban at the time.

In that case, it could well be real, one-piece ivory. Bosendorfer is certainly one the best makes in the world.

I have two older pianos that have the real, one-piece ivory keytops and neither of them look that nice. Your keytops seem much more refined and tailored, with the nice rounded edges on the sides. Plus, like I mentioned, judging from the photos, your keytops look thicker than mine. But being a Bosie, maybe they have thicker keytops that contain more ivory material.

The grain you mentioned is certainly a clue they may be real ivory. Maybe if you could contact the tech and inquire/press them a bit more on the keytop material...

Looks like a really nice piano either way.

Good luck!

Rick

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Those look to be one piece ivory. Bosendorfer would have used that in 1980.


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Not sure this is any kind of comparison, but here is a pic of the one-piece ivory keytops on my older Yamaha C7. Not a close up, but maybe some comparison anyway.

Maybe I was wrong about the thickness. My keytops do have some wear on them and are "cupped/concave", a little in the center of the key, where the fingers make the most contact; especially on the keys that are played the most. But it is not easily visible to see unless you look at the keys up close and at a certain angle.

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Does anybody know the best way to find out if the keys are ivorite instead of ivory?

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That is certainly ivory. If you blow up the image, you can see the individual grain pattern. It is an absolutely gorgeous set!


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That is certainly ivory. If you blow up the image, you can see the individual grain pattern. It is an absolutely gorgeous set!

I agree. The grain pattern is typical ivory. This is a well made set of one-piece ivories. Yamaha and Kawai made sets like this in the past for their top end pianos.


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Oh wow, they do look alike, and very plastic like (as in very glossy). I was used to seeing ivories on old beaten-up uprights and they look nothing like this.
Mine don't have any dips yet, but as an older piano it has its problem, cosmetically the key looks great but inside the lead weight apparently have started to swell and some of them are starting to rub to the adjacent keys smirk
Anyway that is for another thread I guess.

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Not sure this is any kind of comparison, but here is a pic of the one-piece ivory keytops on my older Yamaha C7. Not a close up, but maybe some comparison anyway.

Maybe I was wrong about the thickness. My keytops do have some wear on them and are "cupped/concave", a little in the center of the key, where the fingers make the most contact; especially on the keys that are played the most. But it is not easily visible to see unless you look at the keys up close and at a certain angle.

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In the case of ivory, since it is sanding and polished after pasting it on the keyboard, it is the tapered state where the front side of the keyboard is the thickest and becomes thinner toward the back.
Thickness is uniform because plastic is not sanding.


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Hey TimM 980, my 30 year old Yamaha WX7 has the Ivorite keytops. On very very close inspection you can see faint blue/gray parallel lines running the length of the keys. I've been told that's one way to tell...


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