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I am posting this as it is because I am afraid of another injury if I over practice it. (wrong, missing notes etc.)

Your comments/suggestions will guide me for another take.

Thank you for taking your time to listen.
(Please listen through headphones)

https://app.box.com/s/lw6lpghxa04s76di85qtixd9dwfzm72c

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Can't listen now as I'm in a jury selection room but this is one of my favorite Liszt pieces and one of his greatest IMO.

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And here is the video of the same recording:

https://youtu.be/RHDyiYLn8dc

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Ok. I just have to leave it as it is and move onto something else.

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Hakki, that was lovely! You do have virtuoso-level technique to be able to pull this off.


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Hakki - I really enjoyed this, as it brought back memories of when I performed it on my Masters recital. Unfortunately, due to nerves my recital performance of the piece was not quite as successful as your recording. smile I'm very impressed by your performance. I particularly like the way you control the pacing throughout and maintain a balance between the outer and inner voices. Your chromatic runs are very accurate and convincing. I certainly don't want you to injure yourself again, so I agree that setting this aside for a time is a good idea. When you do revisit it, however, perhaps the primary thing you need to focus on would be the accuracy of those tricky RH leaps during the first two minutes of the piece. Thanks for sharing your recording. Best wishes.


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Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Hakki, that was lovely! You do have virtuoso-level technique to be able to pull this off.


Thank you. It is really flattering for an amateur like me.

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Carey, thank you for the encouraging words.

I am sure you play this way better than me.

Yes, I am hoping to visit it again and if possible make a recording with fewer (or better no) mistakes.

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The piece is obviously a tremendous challenge and be able to play it is for an amateur already a great accomplishement. So congrat to you for this performance. It is consistent end to end and you manage to keep the pace quite well.

As nothing is ever perfect though, here is my 2 cents on what could be improved. In the first 2 mns and essentially between 1 and 2 and also after 4, the melodic line is somehow lost. There so much accompaniement and various ornaments in both hands that keeping the main melodic line clear and continuous is extremely difficult. In particular those quick jumps in the upper voice seems disconnected from the rest both in touch and in timing.

I would see also the piece to show more intensity and drama. The wrong notes and other minor errors are not really an issue. I think at this point there is no need to improve the technical side but to focus on the voicing. You could also slightly slow down as all in all the duration is quite in the average of pro performers.

Thank you and good luck.

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Sidokar:

Thank you for your detailed analysis and suggestions.

This piece is very new to me and for voicing and a continuous melody line I just need more time.

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Thanks for sharing Hakki! That was a wonderful performance, I felt you caught the emotional timbre of the piece which Busoni described as "a sublime and steady fall of snow which gradually buries the landscape and people".
Your virtuosity and technical security are to be commended in such a difficult piece, kudos to you!
As it happens, I just downloaded the sheet music as this is next on my list after "Une Barque" and Rach. Etude Tab #5. I would hope to master this as well as you!

Yes, the minor accuracy of notes can be cleaned up, but the overall balance between the tremolo accompaniment and octave jumps is well handled.
As far as timing, you're in the same range as many professionals (i.e. Daniil Trifonov times in at 5:42, but he adds extra tremolos at the beginning as he directly segues from "Harmonies du Soir", very effective I might add).

Anyone know what a good interpretation for "Chasse Neige" would be? It literally translates as "snow plough", but not very descriptive of what Liszt had in mind I would think. I could imagine someone uploading a music video of snow plows clearing the ski slopes as this plays in the background.


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Thank you BeeZee4.

Here is one translation example:

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The French title of this work has been translated as “snowstorm,” though a more accurate translation is a wind whipping up snow that has already fallen.


https://genius.com/amp/Franz-liszt-chasse-neige-lyrics

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Originally Posted by Hakki
Thank you BeeZee4.

Here is one translation example:

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The French title of this work has been translated as “snowstorm,” though a more accurate translation is a wind whipping up snow that has already fallen.


https://genius.com/amp/Franz-liszt-chasse-neige-lyrics


My French wife said it translates as “snowplow,” hahaha. It is something that hunts the snow. Chasse means to “hunt.”The French do this all the time, overloading words to mean different things in different contexts. I suppose Liszt meant the wind hunting the snow.

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Originally Posted by LarryK


My French wife said it translates as “snowplow,” hahaha. It is something that hunts the snow. Chasse means to “hunt.”The French do this all the time, overloading words to mean different things in different contexts. I suppose Liszt meant the wind hunting the snow.


Chasser has several meanings in french. One of them is hunting but the other ones just as frequently used mean to throw out, or simply to push in the sense of to disperse. So chasse neige is just designating a situation where the snow is being pushed or dispersed, like when there is strong wind or a storm.

Liszt composed the piece before 1850. Btw At that time there was no snowplow. The snow was removed from the roads by hand. The first ones are dated end of 19th century and those were simple carts with horses.

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My French wife said it translates as “snowplow,” hahaha. It is something that hunts the snow. Chasse means to “hunt.”The French do this all the time, overloading words to mean different things in different contexts. I suppose Liszt meant the wind hunting the snow.


Chasser has several meanings in french. One of them is hunting but the other ones just as frequently used mean to throw out, or simply to push in the sense of to disperse. So chasse neige is just designating a situation where the snow is being pushed or dispersed, like when there is strong wind or a storm.

Liszt composed the piece before 1850. Btw At that time there was no snowplow. The snow was removed from the roads by hand. The first ones are dated end of 19th century and those were simple carts with horses.


Yes, but snowplow is funnier, so is hunting snow, lol.

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I'm very impressed by your performance. I particularly like the way you control the pacing throughout and maintain a balance between the outer and inner voices. Your chromatic runs are very accurate and convincing.


Hi Hakki

Carey expressed already what I wanted to say! You precisely found the character of this music and brought alive lots of passion – congratulations!

And yes, never forget listening to your fingers, hands, arms – they will always tell you when it's time to have a break!

Best regards

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Hi Hakki! Thought you might be interested in Boris Giltburg's twitter feed @BorisGiltburg. He plays the last 4 transcendental etudes. And got so many responses from pianists that he devoted todays recital to a master class on "Chasse Neige". Very informative, he splits up the opening phrase between two hands and plays the melody in the left, and gives his reasons why. Goes page by page through the piece. Some important things I got out of it was to keep arm/elbow/wrist loose and flexible with as little tension as possible. To insure accuracy, establish contact with the keys nanoseconds before attacking chords and octaves. I love the variety he gives the chromatic passages by varying the pace in the ascending lines. Worth a listen to, he is very engaging and accessible!


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Tony, thank you for the encouraging words.

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BeeZee4 thank you for the master class link.

That was really very helpful. Especially the section about jumps.

But I try to play everything as written not to make any cheating.
Maybe I should consider doing some cheating as well.

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Originally Posted by Hakki
BeeZee4 thank you for the master class link.

That was really very helpful. Especially the section about jumps.

But I try to play everything as written not to make any cheating.
Maybe I should consider doing some cheating as well.


You know it's interesting, back when I played this in college I figured if Liszt wrote all those notes I'd better play all of them. Now looking at it, I figure he just didn't want the rhythm of the piece to erroneously become approximated, so if I went back I likely wouldn't worry so much about every note.


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