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Narrowing down decision between NU1X or wait for the NV5
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Hello All,

Fairly new forumee here!

I need some help/advice yet again. Here is a bit of background on me first: I own an old Yamaha acoustic upright P202 that best guess is 40 years old. It plays well, needs to be tuned and is very bright sounding (hard to get pp or even just p out of it). I also own and enjoy my Korg Kronos, but use that to compose and play more modern stuff as the action is not what I like for playing classical and ragtime etc.

Was deciding between a Roland LX706 or 708 or a Yamaha CLP685 or NU1X. Last time I visited Yamaha first, then Roland about 15 minutes later. I had trouble remembering the differences between them. Today, I visited Roland first and then Yamaha and just my opinion, but I found that both Yamaha models blew away even the 708 in regards to sound and action. To me, the Roland still had some electric piano sound when playing the acoustic pianos.

So now my choice is to wait until the Kawai NV5 comes out and try it out if it’s even in my price range or buy the NU1X.. The Roland dealer says he spent twenty years working for Kawai and that he supposedly reached out to them. He said the NV5 will be shown at NAMM in January and then may be available in February or March in the US. He said that the price will be between $6800-$7200 but I am fairly certain will be list, not the discounted price. Plus, who knows how accurate his information is.

Here’s pricing I was given today:

Out the door price in Roland:
706 $4499 + tax
708 $5999 + tax polished ebony (this was sent to a university to try out and was used for 3 days so he said this is discounted pricing)
708 flat black $5499 brand new
$175 delivery
$200 removal

Out the door price Yamaha:
CLP685 $4987 + tax
NU1X $5667 +tax
Delivery $275
Removal $200 (she may be able to waive the removal fee, but wasn’t sure as it would be the store owners decision)

So, my gut tells me the sensible thing to do since this is a big chunk of change (to me) is wait the few months until the NV5 comes out, play it, price it and then decide between that and the NU1X. But hopefully I can wait that long as patience is not my strong suit. Also, the Kawai dealer asked me to send him photos of my Yamaha acoustic as he may be able to offer me something for it. The other places aren’t interested. I looked everywhere for a serial # even googled it and can’t find it. My guess is it’s between 30-40 years old.

Any advice on what I should do? Is Yamaha also coming out with anything new like Kawai is that I should wait for?

Thanks folks!
Jfish


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In this case, I think waiting makes sense. I went through almost exactly the same exercise as you a couple of Novembers ago: Go with an N1/N2, or wait a couple months for the NV-10 to be released (at the end of Winter NAMM). In the end, my shop started getting NV-10 shipments slightly before NAMM started, and I'm glad I waited, because the NV-10 was exactly what I was looking for, and I bought it on the spot.

Btw, I bought my day-1 of availability and still got a significant discount off the list price.

In your case, you know what the NV-5 will be, you know that it's coming soon, and you know it's generally in your price range. Here, it's worth waiting (as opposed to the indeterminate "there's always something better around the corner, so you could wait forever" situation).


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Those prices you quoted are way high!
Have you looked at the prices paid spreadsheet?

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I have an NU1 and am considering upgrading to an NU1X or NV5. The NU1 is enough for me and this would be a present to myself.

I’m waiting, to try the NV5, having tried the NU1X several times. They are out there in the wild, see the first forum user review. But I anticipate waiting 3-6 months or so.

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I agree with Gombessa and think waiting would be a good idea. With something you are going to own for years, cost over 5K and will hopefully play every day whats a few more months? While you are waiting though I would check out the Kawai CA98 or NV-10. From my understanding the user interface and most of the options and sound engine are the same as the NV-5. They would give you a good comparison to the NU1X except for the keyboard.

BTW am I having a memory lapse or has Yamaha raised the minimum advertised price on the Internet from $5,999 to $6,599? I checked Kraft Musics site and Yamaha and I could swear that last year at this time they were showing an on-line price of $5,999. While most people will pay less than that I find it interesting now that there is a competitor out there for upright hybrids that the Internet price would go up. Then again maybe I am just imagining this. If that's the case blame it on the stroke. smile


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Hi MacMacMac

I have seen the price sheet and will do a comparison now that I am narrowing things down. I didn’t even say anything when they quoted me a price,I figured once I am ready to buy I will start negotiating. No point doing that so soon in the buying process, especially if I am going to wait a couple of months to try the NV5.

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Thanks Gombessa. Good advice!


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Also, in 2020 maybe Yamaha will replace Clavinova CLP6 series with (maybe) 7 series or something new. So, it could be another option for you.

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Thanks Pianofortissimo. I was wondering what may be next for Yamaha


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As Peddler100 suggested, play the CA98 for the sound and the display. However, the display takes a bit to get used to. After that it's fine. I change settings all the time. It only takes a minute. Then play a K300 or K500 upright. The action is the same. Have fun!



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Thanks TomLC. I will do just that!


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Thanks Peddler100!


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Which Yamaha acoustic is the nu1x action modeled after?


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Originally Posted by Jitin
Which Yamaha acoustic is the nu1x action modeled after?


Just like the N1/2/3 series, Yamaha has never explicitly said whether it's from a specific acoustic piano and which. But I've heard it thrown about here that the NU1X is similar to a U1 action?


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by Jitin
Which Yamaha acoustic is the nu1x action modeled after?


Just like the N1/2/3 series, Yamaha has never explicitly said whether it's from a specific acoustic piano and which. But I've heard it thrown about here that the NU1X is similar to a U1 action?


When I first played the NU1X I was told the action was similar to the U1. They had a U1 on the floor and I was able to go back and forth between the two. From my perspective the were pretty much the same.


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NV5 is a combination of CA98 speakers system and K300/K500 keyboard action. Due to new design cabinet, I think it will sound better than CA98. Otherwise, they have same touchscreen UI and sound engine.


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jfish930, is your Pittsburgh dealer actually selling the NU1X for $5,667? Brand new and in the box? If so that's sort of astonishing, at least for me here in Iowa. My local Yamaha dealer is still selling the NU1 for $6,700, and telling me the NU1X will retail for over $7,000, so I'd better buy the NU1 while I still have a chance.

I've looked on the internet, and so far as I can tell every dealer is selling the NU1X for around $6,600 or so. It appears, then, that your dealer is really offering a good deal. I'd love to think about taking advantage of that, but as you can see Iowa is about a zillion miles away from Pennsylvania. I'm scared to ask what kind of shipping charge there would be. If you wish to comment on this, please feel free.

And at least as far I've been able to tell from your post, it doesn't appear that you've played any Kawai digital pianos at all. I can easily understand your desire to test the NV5, but in the meantime, have you thought about finding a nearby dealer to test out the CA98 or CA78? These units have a simulated grand feel, rather than a genuine acoustic upright touch, but they have the same tones as the NV5, and I get the feeling they have really good speaker systems. And in polished ebony they're very attractive indeed. Since you have quite a bit of time to kill, perhaps you might wish to plan a weekend trip to a Kawai dealer, testing these pianos.

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ADWaytt, I sent you a a private message about the pricing, in short the pricing you see on-line is the lowest price that Yamaha allows dealers to advertise the DP for. You can negotiate a better price. It's getting to the end of the year so now is a great time to buy. Check out the PM.


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Hello ADWyatt,

Yes that is the actual price the dealer is offering. Does not include sales tax (6% here) and as mentioned in my post, delivery and removal is extra although she may be able to waive removal. If I buy it, I am going to ask her if there’s wiggle room in the price to get it down to $5000.

The Kawai dealer is about an hour drive from me and he has been out of stock on the CA98. He should have it in about a week and then I was going to go and try that as well as the CA78. He also is going to try to offer me something on my Yamaha acoustic, which the other locations aren’t interested in doing.

I agree with you, shipping may cause you to spend more than it’s worth. A suggestion may be to ask the salesperson what she can do if we buy 2 NU1X’s and then maybe yours would be worth shipping. Just a thought. I’d try to get the price down to $4500 for two. But as I mentioned, I won’t know if I want the NU1X until I try the NV5 first.

Feel free to PM me. Also, I really like this salesperson. She is not “sales” at all and is a pianist as well as a piano teacher.

Good luck in your search!

JFish


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This week, I took delivery of my new Yamaha N1X and I joined this forum after doing 4 months of intensive research, due diligence and test-playing of pianos. My new N1X replaces my 20-year old Roland KR-375 digital piano and is (obviously) a big improvement in every way.

My short list included Yamaha (N1X, NU1X or CLP-685), Kawai (CA98, NV5 or NV10) and Roland (LX706 or LX708)..... but in the end, I chose the N1X for subjective and objective reasons. I test-played all of the above, except the NV5 (not available as of today in Canada - as far as I know).

Most people have their own buying criteria and a prioritized list of what matters most to them when buying such a high-end instrument.

Below are the reasons (in no particular order) why I chose the N1X over the other excellent pianos on my short list -

1. Touch (keyboard action felt great to me; a very subjective thing)
2. Sound (sound from speakers was great; another very subjective thing)
2. Yamaha track record with hybrid pianos, and the "peace of mind" in buying generation 2 of a product (N1X is an enhanced N1)
3. Music desk is quite high above the keys, allowing for better posture while playing (better ergonomics for back and neck)
4. Local Technical Support from Yamaha
5. Faster "trills" capability than an upright piano (nice to have, although my skills may ever test this capability)
6. Appearance (I liked the appearance of this better than most on my list, although I must say that the NV5 looks GREAT)

I should also add that I encountered the well-documented "Loud Note Issue" while test-playing two different NU1X pianos, and although both of these NU1X pianos had down-level firmware, I decided to avoid any risk of the latest firmware (V 2.1) not fixing the "Loud Note" issue on the NU1X. People buying the NU1X should check that firmware version 2.1 is installed on the piano (the manual explains how to check firmware revision, and the Yamaha website talks about this latest firmware for NU1X).

Although the user interface is probably the weakest aspect of the N1X, any piano purchase represents a thoughtful compromise.

Good luck, and enjoy your search for your ideal piano......... I suspect that the Novus NV5 will do very well based on the reviews that I've seen and read.

Cheers,

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