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Chopin to help you sleep
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I'm watching Trust Me, I'm a Doctor on BBC TV at the moment (if you're in the UK, switch on your TV now wink ), and there was Chopin playing to an insomniac.......

Apparently, 'music without lyrics' (the Beeb's euphemism for classical music?) can get you into a nice restful slumber, complete with REM.

What was the piece? Chopin's Ballade No.2.....but make sure it stops before the explosion grin.


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I've never been able to fall asleep to music, of any kind. My mind gets too engaged. Only white noise for me!


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I tried playing this to a piano pupil of mine, who claimed that the intro reminded her of "listen with mother" the old TV series (not heard it). I understand that listen with mother is Faure, so I guess she wasn't a million miles away.

Anyway, great Ballade, a very stark contrast between peaceful and violent. The end is pretty manic, if I remember right.

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The program compared "music with lyrics" v "music without lyrics" v total silence.

On average, those who had the non-lyric(al) music wink (it wasn't clear whether the first part of that Ballade was on a continuous loop, or whether other soft lyrical non-lyric music followed it) fell asleep within 10.62 minutes; music with lyrics took 21.78 minutes, and no music took 14.73 minutes.

But - once they fell asleep, silence was best. Sleep time was 90 minutes with no music, 82 minutes with non-lyric music, and 63 minutes with music with lyrics. And the quality of sleep also tallied: no music gave the most deep and REM sleep, second was music without lyrics, and last (worst) was music with lyrics.

So, you should set Chopin (the lyrical Freddy, not the bombastic) on a continuous loop lasting for ten minutes followed by automatic switch-off for the best sleep of your life thumb wow.

No pop songs, not even Nacht und Träume (sorry, Franz) if you value your slumber tonight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TnK7tPTwHE

Gute nacht.
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I used to use a specific recording of Chopin Ballade no.1 to re-fall asleep in the morning on weekends, along with some other pieces (Chopin etudes) on a Cortot CD. It's really easy to fall asleep to for some reason, or perhaps it became like that because I conditioned myself to falling asleep to it.

When I want to have a lie in on the weekend, my parents wake me up, or there is usually a lot of noise in the house (including a sometimes barking dog). So for years, I'd often play the same CD of Alfred Cortot on repeat on top volume in the morning, and re-fall asleep for an extra hour or two in a noisy house.

By using the same CD every weekend, your brain somehow associates the music with sleep. It's like your unconscious becomes conditioned to fall sleep to the same music.

I'm not sure if another CD would have worked. Alfred Cortot CDs are really a good recommendation though if you need something to fall asleep to. Also when it's such an old recording, it has a hissing sound which acts like white noise. The sound of the piano is also more distant on such an old recording, and that makes it more calming and less disturbing, as if you're hearing the piano played from under water.


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Originally Posted by Zaphod
I tried playing this to a piano pupil of mine, who claimed that the intro reminded her of "listen with mother" the old TV series (not heard it). I understand that listen with mother is Faure, so I guess she wasn't a million miles away.

I believe that the theme music of "Listen with Mother" on BBC Radio 4 (which I was too old to hear wink ) is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1jUmqel1Is

Max Richter was on to something when he wrote "Sleep" - specifically to help people, er, sleep. This is just a short snippet of its eight-hour length:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbq1GSFyUGI

I did fall asleep to it during the BBC Radio 3 live broadcast through the night a few years ago, but recall some weird dreams & sensations when I was partially awake, and the music filtered through a haze in my brain......


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