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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2946654 02/14/20 06:00 AM
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Perhaps you are right; the ‘Raspberry pi’ could also do the trick. The main idea is to use something small that can be mounted under the piano (assuming there’s enough room down there) to keep the setup as clean as possible.

I don’t have a recording, but I’ve been doing this for a while; all the way back to blending Pianoteq with an AvantGrand N2 several years ago. You should give it a go.

The first thing I like is how the ‘reverbs’ from both sources blend together. Also -for me- the sound imaging improves; it’s as if the superimposed sounds add an extra dimension, and it all seems to be coming from a much larger instrument.

Last but not least, the intonation (or slight lack of it). You will need to go into Pianoteq (Pro) to match the tuning with the AvantGrand for some notes; however, I find that a little intentional ‘de-tuning’ makes everything more organic and real.

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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Pete14] #2946671 02/14/20 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete14
Last but not least, the intonation (or slight lack of it). You will need to go into Pianoteq (Pro) to match the tuning with the AvantGrand for some notes; however, I find that a little intentional ‘de-tuning’ makes everything more organic and real.

Detuning. Ugh. I hate that honkytonk sound - so sloppy! 🤢


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2946681 02/14/20 07:50 AM
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I don't quite remember when my first anniversary with the N1X is, I guess it was around March but coincidentally just listened to one of my recordings that I made with Garritan CFX (and Kawai ES7 as a controller) and that I later did on the NU1X in YouTube and also often play on the N1X and well, what can I say. The Garritan CFX, at least from listener standpoint is a bit of fresh air smile This doesn't mean it's the end of the honeymoon! 👊🏻 I think since the very beginning I thought Garritan had slight edge in terms of timbre. It's the realtime playability of the binaural CFX which is where the N1X is unparalleled, compared to a VST solution. But I wonder how many years and piano generations are needed for digital pianos to have that perfect sound VST-s have on top of the already great playability digital pianos offer.

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Yes, TS, but only a tiny, itty-bitty little detuning. Definitely not honkytonk level out-of-tuneness (if that’s even a term). wink

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Tyrone ... just grow a gnarly beard, put on a worn cowboy hat, and pretend your the piano player at an old-west saloon. The detuned piano will then suit you perfectly!

But ... under any other circumstances ... no. Definitely not. frown

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2948815 02/19/20 02:32 AM
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Slightly out of topic but saw CygerGene praised on Garritan CFX a few days ago. I just want to say that I saw rach3master uploading another video and she played so damn good. This just made my entire day and reminded me how good Garritan CFX is (obviously the pianist is FAR MORE important than whatever VST you use).


Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2948832 02/19/20 03:33 AM
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Wow, that's lovely. wink


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: Harpuia] #2948833 02/19/20 03:41 AM
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I heard her play Kapustin on the last upload and it really made my day (https://youtu.be/-JnC9ouExJQ)

Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2949345 02/20/20 02:51 AM
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Has anyone seen this yet. I'm not sure if this fella is a member here, but he's definitely got a problem with his N1X. What causes the keys to be sluggish? I'd like to learn more about servicing acoustics.



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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2949354 02/20/20 03:20 AM
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These are called sticky keys and have many reasons, with the most common being humidity causing front rail pin or center pin bushings expanded which may need a slight tightening of the felt with a screwdriver. Another reason is the jack flange which may also need a compression since the pin turns in a tube of felt.


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So humidity causes the felt to expand creating more friction on the pins and the remedy is to compress the felt with a tool (screwdriver).

That seems easy enough. I might be tempted to give that a try before calling a technician if I were to encounter this problem. However, it's not very humid here in California. 30 - 50% is around the norm depending on the time of the year.

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The pros use something called "easing pliers", which provide even and controlled compression to front rail or balance rail felts.

http://www.pianofortesupply.com/tools/pliersscissors/key-easing-pliers/key-bushing-easing-pliers-2/

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^ good advice, ando. I would be very careful with a N1X though. There are grey shutters attached to the underside of the keys.


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2949518 02/20/20 02:49 PM
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Hello folks - I joined this forum yesterday after taking delivery of my new Yamaha N1X on Feb 18, 2020 (to replace my 20-year old Roland KR-375). This forum was a valuable part of my due diligence and research as I assessed which piano would best meet my needs, and I'm very happy with my N1X decision.

I have a question to those of you who have a Yamaha N1X with the integrated bluetooth function.

After easily pairing my iPhone6 to the N1X via Bluetooth, and then uploading version 2.3.1.1 of the Yamaha SmartPianist App onto my iPhone6, I have yet to figure out how to control settings on the N1X via SmartPianist on iPhone through the bluetooth connection.

I've asked my dealer for assistance, but thought I'd ask this group as well. It's possible that SmartPianist doesn't support N1X at all, or as comprehensively as the Clavinova models, but I thought I'd throw it out to this group to see if anyone has experience in this area. Although the control buttons work fine, I'm thinking that SmartPianist might be a more pleasant way to change settings on the N1X. And so if any of you have found a way to coax the Yamaha SmartPianist App to control the N1X, I'm all ears..

Thanks so much !

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Originally Posted by N1X-Guy
Hello folks - I joined this forum yesterday after taking delivery of my new Yamaha N1X on Feb 18, 2020 (to replace my 20-year old Roland KR-375). This forum was a valuable part of my due diligence and research as I assessed which piano would best meet my needs, and I'm very happy with my N1X decision.


Hi N1X-Guy, and welcome to the forum!

Congratulations on your new piano. What an exciting time you must be having with it!

I can’t answer your question since I don’t use the Bluetooth function on mine, but I’m sure you will get an answer here shortly from others regarding this.


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Originally Posted by N1X-Guy
I've asked my dealer for assistance, but thought I'd ask this group as well. It's possible that SmartPianist doesn't support N1X at all, or as comprehensively as the Clavinova models, but I thought I'd throw it out to this group to see if anyone has experience in this area. Although the control buttons work fine, I'm thinking that SmartPianist might be a more pleasant way to change settings on the N1X. And so if any of you have found a way to coax the Yamaha SmartPianist App to control the N1X, I'm all ears..

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Assume you have been using a UD-BT01 with your N1X?


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Re: Yamaha AvantGrand N1X - Hands On [Re: David B] #2949533 02/20/20 03:34 PM
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Hello,

No, I don't believe I need the UD-BT01, since my N1X has integrated Bluetooth, and since I can easily pair my iPhone6 to the N1X via integrated Bluetooth.

The manual for N1X states that not all N1X units ship with integrated Bluetooth, and so a UD-BT01 is needed for Bluetooth connectivity on N1X units without integrated Bluetooth. I suspect that this functionality is enabled in some countries and not in others..... or it could be a date-code thing, where earlier units didn't have integrated Bluetooth.

It's easy to see if your N1X has integrated Bluetooth - just look at the control panel, and if you see the symbol for Bluetooth (and an LED light to the right of the Bluetooth symbol), then you have integrated Bluetooth, and don't need UD-BT01. I don't yet know how to embed a photo into this forum, otherwise I could share a photo of my control panel.

Cheers,

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Originally Posted by N1X-Guy
Hello,

No, I don't believe I need the UD-BT01, since my N1X has integrated Bluetooth, and since I can easily pair my iPhone6 to the N1X via integrated Bluetooth.

The manual for N1X states that not all N1X units ship with integrated Bluetooth, and so a UD-BT01 is needed for Bluetooth connectivity on N1X units without integrated Bluetooth. I suspect that this functionality is enabled in some countries and not in others..... or it could be a date-code thing, where earlier units didn't have integrated Bluetooth.

It's easy to see if your N1X has integrated Bluetooth - just look at the control panel, and if you see the symbol for Bluetooth (and an LED light to the right of the Bluetooth symbol), then you have integrated Bluetooth, and don't need UD-BT01. I don't yet know how to embed a photo into this forum, otherwise I could share a photo of my control panel.

Cheers,



The case for my P-515 is that I need a WiFi adapter (Yamaha UD-WL01 Wireless LAN-Adapter) to connect to the pianist app wirelessly. It’s because the app is used for more then just controlling the piano.

I think this should be the case for the N1X also.

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I believe all N1X's sold in North America have integrated Bluetooth (Maybe even all of them in the world, I don't know), but you still need the UDWL01 USB wireless adaptor.

That's the only way to utilize the smart pianist app with the N1X. I don't know why that is, but you won't be able to do it through bluetooth.

If I'm wrong, please let me know because I would prefer to use bluetooth and not the adapter (I really don't even use it anymore, I should probably sell it.)

God Bless,
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Originally Posted by David B
I believe all N1X's sold in North America have integrated Bluetooth (Maybe even all of them in the world, I don't know), but you still need the UDWL01 USB wireless adaptor.

That's the only way to utilize the smart pianist app with the N1X. I don't know why that is, but you won't be able to do it through bluetooth.

If I'm wrong, please let me know because I would prefer to use bluetooth and not the adapter (I really don't even use it anymore, I should probably sell it.)

God Bless,
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The bluetooth is just for audion playback on the instrument. If you want to stream a song from your phone to the piano for example. The smartpianist app also record what you are playing as a audiofile and that's to big to transfer via bluetooth as an example and there mig be other features that BT won't handle. If it was just to control (changing voice etc) it should have worked with BT but since smart pianist has other features you need the Wireless lan adaptor. Just s shame that this is not built in already to the piano.

Im speaking now from my experience with my P-515 but my understanding is that this is the same on all Yamaha paints that is compatible with smart pianist app.

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