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What exactly is “pop” music?
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After 5 months of lessons, focusing on Classical music, I’m considering giving up that aspiration to concentrate on something more feasible.
In my opinion, Classical music is something that needs to be pursued in youth.
If you don’t play Classical, there is pop. What exactly is it?
What types of pieces or, what are some pieces that you might play?

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Originally Posted by Mils
After 5 months of lessons, focusing on Classical music, I’m considering giving up that aspiration to concentrate on something more feasible.
In my opinion, Classical music is something that needs to be pursued in youth.
If you don’t play Classical, there is pop. What exactly is it?
What types of pieces or, what are some pieces that you might play?


I’m not following your logic. Why must classical music be pursued in youth? Do you have a piano teacher who loves classical music and knows the repertoire? Perhaps you need a teacher who knows how to plot out a course through easier classical pieces. I’m also an adult beginner and I think I have found such a teacher. For the most part, I only want to play classical music. There is something timeless and beautiful about classical music.

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Originally Posted by Mils
After 5 months of lessons, focusing on Classical music, I’m considering giving up that aspiration to concentrate on something more feasible.
In my opinion, Classical music is something that needs to be pursued in youth.

Well, my good friend was 60 years young (a mere stripling) when he started piano lessons from scratch. He'd never even touched a keyboard before then. And musical notation was about as understandable as hieroglyphics to him (and I assure you he's no Egyptologist).

Eight years on, he's playing Mozart and Beethoven sonatas, Schubert Impromptus, Chopin nocturnes.......(yes, I do mean the original, unsimplified versions of the pieces: he, like me, would never touch simplified classical pieces with a barge pole) - and very well too. OK, not yet the Waldstein or Appassionata, but he has time on his side (as I said, he was, and still is, a mere stripling), and as his sight-reading is now pretty good, he learns fast too.

Well, he loves classical music, and attends all the piano recitals by the great and good whenever he can. (And he usually can, because he lives near London, and he's retired). He has a collection of about 3,000 classical CDs which he built up over a few decades.

Do you love classical music? If you don't, learn to play from lead sheets and forget about classical. If your main love is classical, why would you want to switch to something else - after just a few months of lessons? Rome wasn't built in a few months........


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For Pop? The piece (Shallow) I'm currently learning now is linked below. I wouldn't give up on classical though. I've learned mostly that in my 4 years of lessons, but I would like to add pop pieces that I feel more attached to. Learning this 4 years ago would have been difficult. It's a lot easier today smile

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Originally Posted by Mils
After 5 months of lessons, focusing on Classical music, I’m considering giving up that aspiration to concentrate on something more feasible.
In my opinion, Classical music is something that needs to be pursued in youth.

I'm approx. 15 years older than you. I've only been learning piano for the last two years, most of it with a teacher, and now I play classical piano at an intermediate level. In another few years, I expect to play classical piano at an advanced level. Your comment does not seem to be supported by logic.

However, if what you are trying to say, in a roundabout way, is that you don't like classical piano and never meant to learn it, then why are you learning it at all? Life is too short to spend time on what one doesn't like. Take up a hobby that you really like, whether that is play pop, jazz, or a different instrument.


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Just to answer your question

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music

Many definitions seem vague or even inconsistent to me though so that page might need some fixing :-)


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Originally Posted by Mils
If you don’t play Classical, there is pop. What exactly is it?

Most pop songs are not made for the piano, and unless you sing while you play, personally I don't think they translate very well to the piano. The melody line can be boring.
However, if you don't play classical, you can play contemporary, new age, minimal music, jazz, folk songs, world music, to name a few examples.


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Originally Posted by Mils
After 5 months of lessons, focusing on Classical music, I’m considering giving up that aspiration to concentrate on something more feasible.
In my opinion, Classical music is something that needs to be pursued in youth.
If you don’t play Classical, there is pop. What exactly is it?
What types of pieces or, what are some pieces that you might play?


You sound like you're frustrated with your attempts at learning classical music. Would you care to elaborate on this? What specifically hasn't been working for you?

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
[quote=Mils]......However, if what you are trying to say, in a roundabout way, is that you don't like classical piano and never meant to learn it, then why are you learning it at all? Life is too short to spend time on what one doesn't like. Take up a hobby that you really like, whether that is play pop, jazz, or a different instrument.


Agree 100%. Play the music you like. That's the only thing that will make you happy. Whether you call it "Pop" or something else doesn't matter.


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Originally Posted by Mils
After 5 months of lessons, focusing on Classical music, I’m considering giving up that aspiration to concentrate on something more feasible.
In my opinion, Classical music is something that needs to be pursued in youth.
If you don’t play Classical, there is pop. What exactly is it?
What types of pieces or, what are some pieces that you might play?

A few responders here are too focused on defending classical music and why you no longer want to play it. But you are asking what pieces folks are playing for pop.
For me, pop is one of those know it when you hear it type of things. I subscribe to hdpiano and irocku. Both are piano instructional sites which break down the piano parts of what I would call pop songs. I am not posting this to promote these sites other than to say I have been very happy with both - their approaches and selections.
Pop or popular music is a very big tent. It includes genres like standards, folk, country, rock, dance, blues, on and on. Perhaps it could be argued that some of these genres weren't originally part of pop music but were brought in by popular artists. Regardless, it is also what I spend most of my time working on.
I will say it is difficult to find the teacher I am looking for, so I have been learning on my own. But, as I said, there are plenty of sites that will help you through that process. If you can get your current teacher to focus a little on theory, such as blues scales and chord progressions, it might help you a lot in learning pop.


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Originally Posted by Josh1770
Originally Posted by Mils
After 5 months of lessons, focusing on Classical music, I’m considering giving up that aspiration to concentrate on something more feasible.
In my opinion, Classical music is something that needs to be pursued in youth.
If you don’t play Classical, there is pop. What exactly is it?
What types of pieces or, what are some pieces that you might play?

A few responders here are too focused on defending classical music and why you no longer want to play it.

Not in my case. I'm not defending classical music. I'm saying that classical music is not hard to learn if one wants to learn it, even at an age much greater than that of the OP. However, if one wants to play pop, then that's what one should have been doing all along as people should never take up hobbies to do things they aren't interested in.


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Answering the question, pop piano at beginner level is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbybB9Cayvk

The main difference with classical is that when playing pop music on the piano you don't need to care much about the gentle touch and the nuances of tone, it's basically ok to bang on the piano when playing pop. Pop piano is not about the touch. And polyphony is much more rare in pop music. But you'll still need to learn notes and rhythms and how to coordinate hands and work on technique, so if you want to avoid main beginner difficulties by switching to pop music, unfortunately it's not the case.


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I would consider pop music to include the following, and I'm sure there are others:
Rock: such as Beatles, Elton John, Billy Joel, etc.
Tunes from the 40s, 50s and 60s, such as tunes sung by Sinatra (Great American Songbook)
Show Tunes: Rogers & Hammerstein, Stephen Sondheim, etc.
Country
Folk
Jazz (this is probably a category by itself, apart from classical and pop).

Some pop music works better on piano than others. Trying to play music by guitar based rock groups may be tough. However, I've played some guitar based stuff on piano, and while I wouldn't do it in public, I had a blast banging away.
There are loads of books of piano arrangements for pop music.

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Google Vika Yermolyeva on Youtube. She has made a career out of making piano arrangements out of modern rock and metal songs.

She’s classically trained so can turn out fully notated sheet music of her arrangements and sells them on her website. Lots of titles that people in their 30s to 50s would know.

I wouldn’t like to guarantee that they’re any easier / simpler than classical though.


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Originally Posted by scirocco
Google Vika Yermolyeva on Youtube. She has made a career out of making piano arrangements out of modern rock and metal songs.

She’s classically trained so can turn out fully notated sheet music of her arrangements and sells them on her website. Lots of titles that people in their 30s to 50s would know.

I wouldn’t like to guarantee that they’re any easier / simpler than classical though.

Watch her videos and you'll realize her arrangements are all difficult. They do show what pop could be on the piano in the hands of an expert pianist. I've watched the following pop piece a few times, Watching her fingerwork on it, it's clear this is no reprieve from classical piano:




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Pop is a catch all phrase for popular music. Radio loves classic rock, 60's classics, 70's classics and so on. Heck even classical was Pop at one time.

Clearly (and affirmed by some responses here) there are two camps. Classical and everybody else.

Of course anyone can play anything badly, so to suggest you only need chops for classical is complete and utter bunk.

That said, classical is easier to learn as there is free and available quality music at every level and instruction is plentiful. Not so for Pop. Even though there is quality Pop too, but you need to dig harder for it. Play everything, suggested.

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I think the Alfred's Series piano course is mostly popular songs.


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I think the definition of popular music will vary depending on the time period that you're talking about. Popular music of 1910 (Tin Pan Alley) is different than popular music of 1950 (Elvis Presley) which is again different than popular music of 2010 (Brittany Spears).

Personally I play only the music that I like. (Why in the world would I play something that I don't like?)


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Originally Posted by scirocco
Google Vika Yermolyeva on Youtube. She has made a career out of making piano arrangements out of modern rock and metal songs.

She’s classically trained so can turn out fully notated sheet music of her arrangements and sells them on her website. Lots of titles that people in their 30s to 50s would know.

I wouldn’t like to guarantee that they’re any easier / simpler than classical though.


How cool! I'm excited by her song list...I'm going to check these out later.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

I'm approx. 15 years older than you. I've only been learning piano for the last two years, most of it with a teacher, and now I play classical piano at an intermediate level. In another few years, I expect to play classical piano at an advanced level. Your comment does not seem to be supported by logic.


Tyrone I think you are an exception not the norm. I have been taking piano almost 3 years and I am still at the beginner level. Unless I'm just super slow...

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