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Kawai NV5 or CA 99
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Hey guys,

just wondering from specs and looks and for those who have made their choices
Which instrument would you pick?
The NV5 has just a different action than the CA 99 right?
But the CA 99 has the latest technology, display and improved sound system and sampling.
It’s a shame that an instrument like the NV5 that isn’t even available to purchase (in the USA) is kind of “outdated” or not able to get a UI update for instance.

If you could pick one today, which one would you pick?
I believe in the USA the PE CA99 will have a similar price tag like the NV5

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Hello lovelovemale,

Originally Posted by lovelovemale
The NV5 has just a different action than the CA 99 right?

Did you mean to write CA98?
If so, you are correct. The NV5 uses the same sound engine, amp/speaker system, and UI system as the CA98, while featuring a real upright piano action and damper mechanism, and a more premium cabinet design.

Originally Posted by lovelovemale
If you could pick one today, which one would you pick?


I would probably opt for the NV5 (for the real action and larger cabinet), but would be very happy with either instrument.

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As James said, the NV5 offers some Features the CA99 doesn't have. The CA99 is fine too but I don' think the updated UI or "improved" Sound Sampling makes a huge Difference at least. In the end, I would choose the one which action feels better to you.


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NV5 for a real upright action. CA99 if you want something that tries to imitate a grand action.

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Don't all digital pianos try to imitate a grand action? They all claim that, right?
Originally Posted by Beowulf
CA99 if you want something that tries to imitate a grand action.

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I think the real question here should be: Kawai CA99 or NV5?

Is this simply an inversion or is there more to perceived order and symmetry?
The questions are there, they’ve always been, but it’s the stubborn answers that elude and sometimes even morph into enigmas.

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Hi Team,

My 2 cents. Nv5 feels completely different from cs11, ca98 to play but after 2 weeks you'd acclimatise to whatever. NV 5 more responsive and a step forward. Love the design of nv5

Ca99 really reads as incremental improvements. But is still a fantastic instrument.

But what's the hurry, could you wait and try both.

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I'd buy both just to be sure.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Don't all digital pianos try to imitate a grand action? They all claim that, right?

Pretty much. I didn't say they don't grin

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NV5 uses a real upright action and CA99 uses an action that tries to imitate grand piano action but isn't really the same. The previous generation GF2 was also too soft bottoming and that made it even worse. However they say they've fixed this in the GF3, so it needs to be seen. The advantage of the GF3 compared to an upright action is the ability to repeat the key without releasing it fully. That would help in legato playing and fast repetitions. However fast repetitions on digital actions with no actual escapement tend to cause a self-"resonating" punching bag effect of the hammer bouncing back and forth and so it kind of defeats the purpose IMO. I'd personally choose the real upright piano action. If it feels the same as their K-series upright pianos, then it's a guaranteed hit. I regularly play a K2 at a piano store and it feels much better than any of the CA-series but I haven't tested the CA99. I doubt it's so much different than previous CA-series though, it's probably just a subtle difference.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Don't all digital pianos try to imitate a grand action? They all claim that, right?
Originally Posted by Beowulf
CA99 if you want something that tries to imitate a grand action.



You know what's odd? Even the NU1X claims to do so as well!

Although, I assume on first principles the point of an upright action IS to imitate a grand action....so there's that.


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Funny stuff. smile I'm eagerly awaiting the next model in the Avant Grand series ... and perhaps it will be touted as trying to emulate the action of a digital piano! Or that of an accordion! smile
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Originally Posted by ]Don't all digital pianos try to imitate a grand action? They all claim that, right?[quote=Beowulf
CA99 if you want something that tries to imitate a grand action.
You know what's odd? Even the NU1X claims to do so as well!
Although, I assume on first principles the point of an upright action IS to imitate a grand action....so there's that.[/quote]

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No question in my mind I would get the NV5. But - To each his own. Go play them if you can. The difference in the action should be obvious. On the other hand, if you use headphones try the Nu1x and the N1x. If you are good at negotiating the N1x may be pretty close in price to the NV5.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I'd personally choose the real upright piano action. If it feels the same as their K-series upright pianos, then it's a guaranteed hit. I regularly play a K2 at a piano store and it feels much better than any of the CA-series but I haven't tested the CA99.


+1

I have a CA-58 and have been looking to upgrade to a piano with a real action for this reason mainly. I have played a lot of pianos over the last few weeks, and the difference between a real action and the Grand Feel ones is very substantial. I would choose the NV-5 (assuming the action is similar to K200/300) over the CA99 for this reason alone (assuming the latter is similar to Grand Feel II/Compact).


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Don't all digital pianos try to imitate a grand action? They all claim that, right?
Originally Posted by Beowulf
CA99 if you want something that tries to imitate a grand action.

Actually, some try to imitate an upright piano action, which is different from a grand piano action. Here are a couple of examples:
Kawai Novus NV5: https://kawaius.com/product/novus-nv5/
Yamaha AvantGrande NU1X: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical_instruments/pianos/avantgrand/nu1x/index.html

I just purchased a Kawai CA99 a few days ago. It is a fine instrument. I also tried the Novus NV5, but did not like the feel of the upright action. To me the CA99 had the better action/feel, but I recognize that this is a personal preference and others may disagree.

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When the NU1X was released, Yamaha claimed how its action was now even more grand-like than the NU1(!) . And don't forget, that's when they formally moved it into the "AvantGrand" lineup smile

So methinks they are banking to some degree on buyers who don't know it's an upright acoustic action and think it's a more affordable version of a grand action in the other AGs (this actually describing the buyer of the NU1 I play on).


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The NU1X is a scam! smirk

How dare you, Yamaha, telling me it’s more like a grand?
Take a cue from Williams and their beautiful Allegro: they tell it like it is! laugh

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My vote clear for the CA99: Better playability, way better sound.

Played both.

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I know what I would choose, NV5 for sure!

I like real actions. I also have my doubts by some peoples opinions that state "an acoustic action is what it is, because it's what's mechanically needed to throw the hammers, but could be much better if all these mechanics actually weren't needed, like in a digital." While this does sound like it makes sense, i have yet to come across a digital piano that gives me as much control as a decent acoustic. I think the way a good real action is build actually gives exceptionally good feel to the keys. Something about it is just right.

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As an amateur I find real acoustic actions (grand or upright) easier to control, I have better precision over dynamics, over trill consistency, etc. However a professional pianist won't be hampered by the deficiencies of digital actions. That's my opinion and stemming from it I would say if you're an amateur, beginner or not very advanced, you will certainly benefit from a real piano action. If you're a virtuoso, you don't usually ask other people on PW what they think laugh


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