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Yamaha U1 vs CVP-305 Clavinova #2948219 02/17/20 08:24 PM
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Hey all,

Firstly I apologize in advance if acoustic vs digital piano discussions are not permitted, but I could use some help here.

I am in music school (Classical Guitar primary) and looking for a piano to work with during my required piano courses as well as for inspiration when part writing. It needs to sound great enough to keep my interest. That being said, a digital piano has a lot going for it in my work flow. I could utilize the Line In and onboard speakers from my laptop and compose music with only a laptop, interface, and piano. Putting an acoustic piano in this role causes some expensive problems, such as midi support, etc.

I have an opportunity to buy a beautiful late 70s U1 that has been appraised and inspected and is in excellent condition, or a CVP-305 for less than half the cost. How is the sound quality from the CVP-305? The light up keys and learning features are appealing too, but ultimately if it doesn't sound great I will lose interested.

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Re: Yamaha U1 vs CVP-305 Clavinova [Re: MaxThroughput] #2948235 02/17/20 08:50 PM
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The CVP305 is from 2004. Ancient.
How much is the seller asking for it?

Re: Yamaha U1 vs CVP-305 Clavinova [Re: MaxThroughput] #2948240 02/17/20 09:02 PM
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The only way you'll know if a DP "sounds great" --

. . . Listen to it.

Every DP has some compromises, in its emulation of an acoustic piano. Some people accept the compromises, and other people don't. Visit a music store, or your fellow students' DP's, and find out which camp you're in.

It's a good thing that you're not a piano major. Then, you'd also be thinking about "it has to _feel_ great", which opens a whole other can of worms. I assume that, with a piano _minor_, you won't be expected to perform difficult repertoire.


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Re: Yamaha U1 vs CVP-305 Clavinova [Re: MaxThroughput] #2948248 02/17/20 09:16 PM
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How much money can you spend? It sounds like you need a midi controller.


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Re: Yamaha U1 vs CVP-305 Clavinova [Re: MacMacMac] #2948249 02/17/20 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The CVP305 is from 2004. Ancient.
How much is the seller asking for it?


$1000

Re: Yamaha U1 vs CVP-305 Clavinova [Re: TomLC] #2948251 02/17/20 09:21 PM
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How much money can you spend? It sounds like you need a midi controller.


Well, I would like a cabinet style piano for the living room, so a midi controller wouldn't work.

Re: Yamaha U1 vs CVP-305 Clavinova [Re: MaxThroughput] #2948362 02/18/20 05:21 AM
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For just sitting down and playing the U1 will be great - no buttons or settings to play with. Also the action and sound will be “real” if that matters to you.

If what you really want is something to use in a digital composition setup then obviously the U1 has some short comings smile

If you decide on a digital get something new or almost new - old stuff usually sounds pretty awful and the key action may not be up to much.

I’d get the U1 and then maybe down the line a cheap digital like a P125 for composing etc.

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The CVP305 is from 2004. Ancient.
How much is the seller asking for it?


$1000


Personally I'd never pay anywhere close to that for a 15 year old DP.

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I wouldn't buy any fifteen-year-old digital piano. I think five years is my limit.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I wouldn't buy any fifteen-year-old digital piano. I think five years is my limit.

This.

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I'm afraid it will be impossible to find a cabinet style DP that will sound great for $1000. If you like the old CVP-305, for $500 maybe you can connect it to your laptop and use it as a controller with a good <$100 VST?


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Re: Yamaha U1 vs CVP-305 Clavinova [Re: MaxThroughput] #2948484 02/18/20 11:40 AM
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Or do some negotiating and get them both for $1000. smile


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Or do some negotiating and get them both for $1000. smile



After reading everyone's thoughts here I am leaning toward the U1 and using a piezo pickup to convert it to midi. This will work for the basic level of input I need. It is going to cost me $2225 to get the piano here. It has an appraisal from a local piano dealer saying its in excellent condition. Does this seem like a solid purchase? Will I lose a lot if I decide to sell it in a few years?

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The dealer says it's in excellent condition?

Can he render an unbiased opinion?
Is he qualified to make a judgement?
Is he a piano technician?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The dealer says it's in excellent condition?

Can he render an unbiased opinion?
Is he qualified to make a judgement?
Is he a piano technician?


It's being sold on consignment. The receipt from the piano company holding the company says that it is in very good condition. I don't know to what extent they have inspected it but I am trying to find that out. Being that there are so many free acoustic pianos available, does it really make sense to pay over $2000 for this one?

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Originally Posted by MaxThroughput
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The dealer says it's in excellent condition?

Can he render an unbiased opinion?
Is he qualified to make a judgement?
Is he a piano technician?


It's being sold on consignment. The receipt from the piano company holding the company says that it is in very good condition. I don't know to what extent they have inspected it but I am trying to find that out. Being that there are so many free acoustic pianos available, does it really make sense to pay over $2000 for this one?


Most free pianos are junk. There, I said it.

To put your price in some perspective, my rental company wants $7500 for a U1 from 1975, at the end of a one year rental period, so, $2k is not a bad price at all, if the condition of the piano is excellent.

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Re: Yamaha U1 vs CVP-305 Clavinova [Re: LarryK] #2948555 02/18/20 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LarryK
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The dealer says it's in excellent condition?

Can he render an unbiased opinion?
Is he qualified to make a judgement?
Is he a piano technician?


It's being sold on consignment. The receipt from the piano company holding the company says that it is in very good condition. I don't know to what extent they have inspected it but I am trying to find that out. Being that there are so many free acoustic pianos available, does it really make sense to pay over $2000 for this one?


Most free pianos are junk. There, I said it.

To put your price in some perspective, my rental company wants $7500 for a U1 from 1975, at the end of a one year rental period, so, $2k is not a bad price at all, if the condition of the piano is excellent.


$7500!? That sounds outrageous given the cost of buying new.

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Originally Posted by MaxThroughput
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Originally Posted by MaxThroughput
Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The dealer says it's in excellent condition?

Can he render an unbiased opinion?
Is he qualified to make a judgement?
Is he a piano technician?


It's being sold on consignment. The receipt from the piano company holding the company says that it is in very good condition. I don't know to what extent they have inspected it but I am trying to find that out. Being that there are so many free acoustic pianos available, does it really make sense to pay over $2000 for this one?


Most free pianos are junk. There, I said it.

To put your price in some perspective, my rental company wants $7500 for a U1 from 1975, at the end of a one year rental period, so, $2k is not a bad price at all, if the condition of the piano is excellent.


$7500!? That sounds outrageous given the cost of buying new.


Indeed, it is. I’m sure I could negotiate something better but I don’t think I could get them to $2k. They can rent the thing for around $2k a year.

Check PianoMart for comparable U1s.

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As Larry already said, free pianos are usually junk.

As for this piano ...
Before you buy any used acoustic piano you should have your own piano technician inspect it. Expect to pay for this service.
In my book ... no inspection means no sale. Period.
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The dealer says it's in excellent condition?

Can he render an unbiased opinion?
Is he qualified to make a judgement?
Is he a piano technician?
It's being sold on consignment. The receipt from the piano company holding the company says that it is in very good condition. I don't know to what extent they have inspected it but I am trying to find that out. Being that there are so many free acoustic pianos available, does it really make sense to pay over $2000 for this one?


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
As Larry already said, free pianos are usually junk.

As for this piano ...
Before you buy any used acoustic piano you should have your own piano technician inspect it. Expect to pay for this service.
In my book ... no inspection means no sale. Period.
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The dealer says it's in excellent condition?

Can he render an unbiased opinion?
Is he qualified to make a judgement?
Is he a piano technician?
It's being sold on consignment. The receipt from the piano company holding the company says that it is in very good condition. I don't know to what extent they have inspected it but I am trying to find that out. Being that there are so many free acoustic pianos available, does it really make sense to pay over $2000 for this one?



+1.

And, don’t use the dealer’s tech. You don’t want any wink wink, nudge nudge, between the tech and the dealer such that you get stuck with a bad piano. If you pay a tech, you should get an honest assessment of the condition of the piano.

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