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kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel #2947570 02/16/20 11:11 AM
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Tried both live but now in quandry

I think the sound (for my ears) is much better on the kawai.
I think the keyboard on the roalnd is a much better feel (for my hands)

I'm really still a beginner, so after advice from more experienced users.

I've read lots on the forum here and youtube reviews.

Do I go for the sound or for the feel, which should be the deciding factor given the degree of difference is the same for both factors in my opinion.

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Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947627 02/16/20 01:29 PM
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I've had a similar impression. I'm afraid you won't get a particularly useful advice, you will have to make a choice. I think both of them are quite okay. Even DPs that cost twice as much aren't perfect.

Btw both are due for a refresh within months, so if you're not in a rush you might want to wait for either improvements on the new models or good deals on the current. The key action of recent CN39 seemed a bit better to me than that of the ES8, though both are supposedly RH3. While the FP-90 successor will likely get updated PA sound.

Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947657 02/16/20 02:38 PM
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One approach to this question:

. . . You can't change the action.

. . . You _can_ change the sound, if you're willing to use a computer and "virtual piano" software.

I assume that the ES-8 and FP90 both have "Line In" jacks, so you can play the computer's output through their own amps and loudspeakers, at no extra cost. Without "Line In", you'd probably need a pair of powered monitor speakers, or an equivalent hi-fi system.

Another approach:

. . . "I'm a beginner" means that _either_ DP will let you develop your skills for several years.

So ask:

. . . "Which of these would I rather live with?"

and get that one. Your choice, not ours.


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Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947678 02/16/20 03:51 PM
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I think a beginner would think the Roland action is better. But when you play fast music for any length of time you will discover the Kawai action is much more accommodating and comfortable. The Roland action is too sluggish or “heavy” . One has to work to hard and one might end up with tendinitis. And it’s not due to “improper technique”...


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Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947681 02/16/20 04:02 PM
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Between the Kawai E8 and the Roland F90 I would definitely go for the ES8.

I have played both of them and to me …. it is not even close.


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Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947682 02/16/20 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by big-vern
Tried both live but now in quandry

I think the sound (for my ears) is much better on the kawai.
I think the keyboard on the roalnd is a much better feel (for my hands)

I'm really still a beginner, so after advice from more experienced users.

I've read lots on the forum here and youtube reviews.

Do I go for the sound or for the feel, which should be the deciding factor given the degree of difference is the same for both factors in my opinion.


Two options: Try the Roland with a VST.
Try the Kawai and get used to the action.

My advice: try all competing models, not just those two.


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Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947689 02/16/20 04:28 PM
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Out of the two of them I'd go for the ES8, without question.

Both actions are good.

For (acoustic piano) sound, there is no contest. The Roland's acoustic piano sounds just don't sound real to me - very false sounding in the midrange. I think the Kawai's principle piano sound is very nice however.


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Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947692 02/16/20 04:33 PM
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I have had both. The Kawai stayed.

Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947716 02/16/20 05:58 PM
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I have the ES8.
You can change the sound but not the keyboard....

I don't think I would buy another now. I would try the Yamaha P 515 because of the Binaural CFX sampling.
Don't know about the keyboard.
For a beginner a light keyboard is a bad thing.

The ES8 keyboard is for me too different from am acoustic's one. For example the CA78 keyboard is far better (but more expensive). But as the models are evolving with the 9 series perhaps you could get a great price.


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Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947721 02/16/20 06:15 PM
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Es8 no question, I would also add p515 and try it at the very least


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Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: EssBrace] #2947730 02/16/20 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rintincop
I think a beginner would think the Roland action is better. But when you play fast music for any length of time you will discover the Kawai action is much more accommodating and comfortable. The Roland action is too sluggish or “heavy” . One has to work to hard and one might end up with tendinitis. And it’s not due to “improper technique”...

Thanks, thats what ive been pondering as a beginner, the unkown kowns as it were.

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Out of the two of them I'd go for the ES8, without question.

Both actions are good.

For (acoustic piano) sound, there is no contest. The Roland's acoustic piano sounds just don't sound real to me - very false sounding in the midrange. I think the Kawai's principle piano sound is very nice however.


Thtas what my impressions were with the sound.

I think for me the preferred sound is probably going to win the day. (appreciate I could tweak / use vst's etc and the fact you cant rip out and replace a a keyboard, so hmm, gonna give it another few days with my research and advice here before settling)

When looking I did pick up on the age of the es8 but after they'd dint release the es9 in january I figured it would be at least another year, have I missed something?

Re: kawai es8 v roland fp90 - help - sound v feel [Re: big-vern] #2947732 02/16/20 06:46 PM
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From my own experience the Roland keyboard seems good on the hands. The FP90 will be better than my older FP50, which was very good imo.
I would still take a chance on the ES8, or better still, await the newer ES9 model. It'll be much better (the competition with Yamaha is fierce) and will almost certainly be better quality too.


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