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Re: How much does the teacher's piano matter? [Re: dogperson] #2946950 02/14/20 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dogperson
Larry, do a web-search for piano rehearsal space NYC
Here’s one—- grand in every room
https://www.244rehearsalstudiosny.com/


Thanks. Unfortunately, that’s a long way from my apartment. It is run by the same people who rented me the piano.


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Re: How much does the teacher's piano matter? [Re: LarryK] #2946951 02/14/20 08:37 PM
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Larry, do a web-search for piano rehearsal space NYC
Here’s one—- grand in every room
https://www.244rehearsalstudiosny.com/


Thanks. Unfortunately, that’s a long way from my apartment. It is run by the same people who rented me the piano.

What's wrong with the subway? Don't you have the A-line?


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Re: How much does the teacher's piano matter? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2946957 02/14/20 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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Larry, do a web-search for piano rehearsal space NYC
Here’s one—- grand in every room
https://www.244rehearsalstudiosny.com/


Thanks. Unfortunately, that’s a long way from my apartment. It is run by the same people who rented me the piano.

What's wrong with the subway? Don't you have the A-line?


Yes, I have the A line. It is just a matter of time.

Time is what we have the least of. -Hemingway

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Re: How much does the teacher's piano matter? [Re: LarryK] #2946960 02/14/20 08:50 PM
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Larry, do a web-search for piano rehearsal space NYC
Here’s one—- grand in every room
https://www.244rehearsalstudiosny.com/
Thanks. Unfortunately, that’s a long way from my apartment. It is run by the same people who rented me the piano.
What's wrong with the subway? Don't you have the A-line?
Yes, I have the A line. It is just a matter of time.

Time is what we have the least of. -Hemingway

That's why you read and listen to beautiful music as you take the A line downtown. It's a three-fer!


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Re: How much does the teacher's piano matter? [Re: LarryK] #2946970 02/14/20 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LarryK
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Larry, do a web-search for piano rehearsal space NYC
Here’s one—- grand in every room
https://www.244rehearsalstudiosny.com/


Thanks. Unfortunately, that’s a long way from my apartment. It is run by the same people who rented me the piano.

What's wrong with the subway? Don't you have the A-line?


Yes, I have the A line. It is just a matter of time.

Time is what we have the least of. -Hemingway


Log into PW and discuss violins and luthers —- time will fly.

I don’t believe this is the only one in NYC search the internet for piano practice place that please you.

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Re: How much does the teacher's piano matter? [Re: dogperson] #2947056 02/15/20 05:25 AM
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Log into PW and discuss violins and luthiers —- time will fly.

I don’t believe this is the only one in NYC search the internet for piano practice place that please you.


The A train is my jam, and we can now unlock the turnstiles with ApplePay on the AppleWatch, no more swiping, but, still, it’s tiring to ride the train a lot.

Yes, I do have a tendency to go off on tangents, and for that, I apologize. I’m not the only guilty party, though.

Yes, I could certainly find a grand to rent in New York but, time and money, you know. Anyway, in a few short months, I’ll have my DYUS1. While no grand, I think it will provide the tools for endless experimentation. I think one can go far on an upright. When I watched James Rhodes practicing on a Kawai silent piano in one of his videos for PianoMan, his series, I was floored by how well he could play on it. His reason for playing the silent was to spare his neighbors from five or six hours of daily practice.

Back to my Russian teacher and her piano. If her neighbors do not hear her piano they call up and ask if she is ok and should they bring up food? The building is full of Russian immigrants who have survived worse terrors than listening to piano practice and so, they all get by. My teacher told me that her father, a violist, told her that if you wake up one day and don’t hear anything, you’re dead. Of course, you could also have been struck deaf overnight. Both possibilities are terrible thoughts.

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Re: How much does the teacher's piano matter? [Re: LarryK] #2947154 02/15/20 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by LarryK
My teacher told me that her father, a violist, told her that if you wake up one day and don’t hear anything, you’re dead. Of course, you could also have been struck deaf overnight. Both possibilities are terrible thoughts.


That's not a binary choice, there are many more possibilities.

For example, you may still be asleep, dreaming you've awoken and can't hear anything.


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My teacher told me that her father, a violist, told her that if you wake up one day and don’t hear anything, you’re dead. Of course, you could also have been struck deaf overnight. Both possibilities are terrible thoughts.


That's not a binary choice, there are many more possibilities.

For example, you may still be asleep, dreaming you've awoken and can't hear anything.


Yes, I gave only two possibilities. I wake up every morning and can’t hear anything but that’s because I sleep with earplugs.


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Re: How much does the teacher's piano matter? [Re: Brinestone] #2947190 02/15/20 11:22 AM
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I think a teacher's bad piano can be an irritant or drag on learning that over time will wear you down. You're in a learning situation where you're trying to master all kinds of skills; why would you want an unforced error of a piano to have to overcome as well? The piano doesn't have to be a Steinway D or anything of that sort; it just has to be in good tune and regulation. On the other hand, a good piano won't make up for a bad teacher (or bad student).

I've never really bought into the idea that playing bad pianos is good for you. If you're going to be a professional musician traveling around and playing on whatever piano happens to be there, maybe, but the vast majority of students won't go on to be professional musicians. But even in the instance of learning to play on your teacher's bad piano, you've only learned to play on that particular bad piano; every bad piano is bad in its own way.


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I am reminded of the famous opening line of Anna Karenina:

“Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way”

Does this map to, good pianos are all alike, every bad piano is bad in its own way?


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Re: How much does the teacher's piano matter? [Re: LarryK] #2947198 02/15/20 11:37 AM
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I am reminded of the famous opening line of Anna Karenina:

“Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way”

Does this map to, good pianos are all alike, every bad piano is bad in its own way?

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Originally Posted by LarryK
I am reminded of the famous opening line of Anna Karenina:

“Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way”

Does this map to, good pianos are all alike, every bad piano is bad in its own way?

thumb you caught the allusion. smile


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I am reminded of the famous opening line of Anna Karenina:

“Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way”

Does this map to, good pianos are all alike, every bad piano is bad in its own way?


thumb you caught the allusion. smile


If we are looking for accuracy, I do not agree that all good pianos are alike because the way they respond, the way peddling needs to be applied, and the firmness of the action are all different.


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I think it was meant to be funny.

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Yeah, I realize that it is not a perfect analogy but it was too delicious to pass up. I’m not sure that Tolstoy is right in the first place.


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I am reminded of the famous opening line of Anna Karenina:

“Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way”

Does this map to, good pianos are all alike, every bad piano is bad in its own way?


thumb you caught the allusion. smile


If we are looking for accuracy, I do not agree that all good pianos are alike because the way they respond, the way peddling needs to be applied, and the firmness of the action are all different.

I think LarryK was just making a joke, but since you responded to me: Good pianos are good in a number of ways, absolutely. I didn't allude to the happy families are all alike part of the quote because it wasn't pertinent to the point I was making.


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Yes, it was a joke. smile


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Getting serious again - if I were to try to summarize my thoughts on the topic.

The very first and most important thing is the quality of the teacher, followed by the willingness of the student to work with a quality teacher. In my priorities, the teacher has to understand the piano, piano music, music, technical sides, applicable theoretical sides, and know how to teach. That's a lot of skills to pack into one single human being.

The teacher needs to demonstrate what is being taught, and for piano, usually the student will also be playing the teacher's instrument, so that instrument needs to be adequate to the task. For an absurd extreme: you can't teach pedal technique if your piano has no pedal. Less extreme: if your pedal has to be pushed to the floor before it does anything, you'll actually end up demonstrating something wrong. The piano needs to have certain attributes for teaching what needs to be taught. You may argue that only the senior "serious" student who may become professional needs things that work well ..... but where does the setup of all habits start? The student needs to practise regularly at home, and so the student also needs an instrument that has the attributes.

If you go to attributes, then you get away from "grand acoustic", "upright acoustic", "digitals of various stripes". What characteristics of the instrument do we need in order to play piano? What things need to be working well, and in some pianos may not work well?

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I looked up the Anna Karenina quote earlier. I have heard it mostly out of context, which made it an interesting exploration. I didn't read the book. Comments suggest that Tolstoy found the "bad families" to be the interesting or entertaining ones. (?) Where I've seen it used out of context has been in areas such as therapy, self-help, healthy versus dysfunctional relationships. Here, if I recall, the idea is that there are certain qualities that functional families all have; even if families can be different in various ways, these qualities are always the same. That actually goes to our piano thing maybe. smile

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Here, if I recall, the idea is that there are certain qualities that functional families all have; even if families can be different in various ways, these qualities are always the same. That actually goes to our piano thing maybe. smile

In fact, most people who can recognize good vs bad families can probably name some of the traits such as mutual respect, open communications, mutually supporting, etc. I acknowledge there are some people who can't recognize these, and I suspect they are often in bad families.


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