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Silent pianos #2946728 02/14/20 09:26 AM
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I think that Silent pianos (Yamaha creation), have evolved since some years and there is different approach.

While the main flaw is the modification of the mechanism that could lead to a specific feeling for the pianist ; it has to be discussed. Lot of technicians think so
I have some doubts but, perhaps I am false.

The other interesting thing is the way the sound is produce and how the mechanism is implemented in order to connect the pianist with the sound as if it were coming from the strings.

Perhaps is it another way of thinking to create the future perfect DP ?

So, I first notice that a very reputed German brand has a new silent approach, with a modeling sound. Steingraber.

It is here : https://www.steingraeber.de/en/steingraeber-silent-pianos/

I didn't know that such a modeled sound was used with a silent piano :
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‘Physical modelling‘ is the name of the concept behind this new digital and much more authentic approach, and is based on complex software developed by French tuner and mathematician Pr. Philippe Guillaume, CEO of MODARTT S.A.S. Using this software, the company adsilent has successfully com-puted the Steingraeber Concert Grand Sound using a highly sophisticated modelling process, without the need for a supercomputer on the one hand, while dispensing with the all too well-known deficiencies of signal-based sampling on the other.


Very interesting ; I don't know anything about VST, but MODARRT is pianoteq , I think : https://www.modartt.com

What do you think about this silent system ?


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Re: Silent pianos [Re: BachToTheFuture] #2946731 02/14/20 09:36 AM
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I am looking forward to the silent system on the DYUS1 I ordered because it is a non-contact system that uses little grayscale flags and lasers/light to determine key velocity. The silent system on the rental U1 I have uses little rubber contact switches under the keys and it produces some weird results at times which is why I don’t use it very often. By weird, I mean repeated notes.

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Re: Silent pianos [Re: BachToTheFuture] #2946733 02/14/20 09:39 AM
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Have to admit I find the three samples on the website to sound pretty flat and lifeless...

Re: Silent pianos [Re: sleutelbos] #2946753 02/14/20 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Have to admit I find the three samples on the website to sound pretty flat and lifeless...


Hi Sleutelbos,

They certainly could have used FLAC instead of MP3. The sound seems different from the Pianoteq Steingraeber recordings. However, the PT sound is very modifiable, so it's hard to tell if they have just licenced Pianoteq 6 inside this hybrid..

Kind regards,

Doug.


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Re: Silent pianos [Re: sleutelbos] #2946754 02/14/20 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sleutelbos
Have to admit I find the three samples on the website to sound pretty flat and lifeless...
+1 They do not sound very realistic. Pianoteq doesn't, either. I will stick to my Galaxy Vintage D.

Re: Silent pianos [Re: BachToTheFuture] #2946755 02/14/20 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by BachToTheFuture

Very interesting ; I don't know anything about VST, but MODARRT is pianoteq , I think : https://www.modartt.com


I can confirm, Pianoteq is from Modartt. They sell a Steingraeber extension for Pianoteq and a Raspberry version does exist, then Modartt has developed a version which doesn’t need a full desktop PC to work.


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Re: Silent pianos [Re: Frédéric L] #2946772 02/14/20 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by BachToTheFuture

Very interesting ; I don't know anything about VST, but MODARRT is pianoteq , I think : https://www.modartt.com


I can confirm, Pianoteq is from Modartt. They sell a Steingraeber extension for Pianoteq and a Raspberry version does exist, then Modartt has developed a version which doesn’t need a full desktop PC to work.


Hi Frédéric,

Looks like they're running a Pianoteq version off this unit that may be a PC of some sorts: https://www.adsilent.eu/de/

Kind regards,

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Re: Silent pianos [Re: BachToTheFuture] #2946775 02/14/20 11:14 AM
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On your link, I read : “9 Sample Layer”

Then the Adsilent described there must be sampled.


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Re: Silent pianos [Re: Pianist685] #2946783 02/14/20 11:29 AM
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Me too. Vintage D has its faults, but the sound is second to none.
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Have to admit I find the three samples on the website to sound pretty flat and lifeless...
+1 They do not sound very realistic. Pianoteq doesn't, either. I will stick to my Galaxy Vintage D.

Re: Silent pianos [Re: Frédéric L] #2947038 02/15/20 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Frédéric L
On your link, I read : “9 Sample Layer”

Then the Adsilent described there must be sampled.

They probably have different products. The Steingraeber page clearly says "Steingraeber Presents World First: The adsilent Without Sampling".


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