2017 was our 20th year online!

Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Shop our online store for music lovers
SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Wessell Nickel & Gross
PianoForAll
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
Who's Online Now
44 members (CyberGene, 3x4rt, Dazzie2, Greta99, 36251, EVC2017, BachToTheFuture, donpi, iliverez, 9 invisible), 387 guests, and 389 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
#2882933 08/24/19 03:44 AM
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 3
N
neret Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
N
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 3
Hello,

I’m about to buy the Kawai ES110 and while it has been out for almost two years, it still seems to be the best bet if you want a high quality piano with near acoustic sound. But then I heard about the two models that Casio released this year, PX-S1000 and PX-S3000. First I thought ’It’s Casio’, maybe not the best of sound in these models, but they seem to have received great reviews.

The PX-S3000 is almost 300 dollars more expensive where I live and it’s out of my budget, so I would be comparing the Kawai with PX-S1000 in this case.
I’ve listened to these pianos in countless of videos and I still feel the Kawai come out on top in terms of sound. It just sounds richer. As to their functions, Casio has Bluetooth Audio and Kawai Bluetooth Midi. Which of these do you find more important? The Audio-feature is great for streaming music to the Casio speakers but not the most important feature for me. Does Casio have the ability to receive sounds back from Garageband, FL Studio etc, where the soundeffects of the FL Studio would come out of the Casio speakers?

The only thing making me hesitate on the Kawai is that it is only limited to 19 sounds. What do I do if I want to add more effects?

Any other pros and cons about these two?

Thanks a lot!


Last edited by neret; 08/24/19 03:47 AM.
Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2882943 08/24/19 07:22 AM
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,002
C
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
C
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,002
Quote
"I still feel the Kawai come out on top in terms of sound. It just sounds richer."


Sounds like a pro for the Kawai then.

Quote
"As to their functions, Casio has Bluetooth Audio and Kawai Bluetooth Midi. Which of these do you find more important?"


Neither is important.

...necessarily. Depends on what you want to accomplish.

Bluetooth audio won't work for absolute real time audio but works for playing along with a song etc. If you would use MIDI then Kawai's Bluetooth MIDI eliminates one cable from the setup.

Quote
"Does Casio have the ability to receive sounds back from Garageband, FL Studio etc [...]"


It has an "Audio IN" socket in the backpanel, so yes. And the Kawai doesn't.

So, that's a pro for Casio.

Quote
"The only thing making me hesitate on the Kawai is that it is only limited to 19 sounds."


The Casio is limited to 18 sounds. Kawai wins. And the sounds might even be better, though I don't think there's need to talk down Casio nowadays.

Quote
"What do I do if I want to add more effects?"


I guess by "effects" you mean sounds(?)

You connect either piano to a computer/tablet/phone via MIDI/USB-MIDI/Bluetooth-MIDI and run a virtual instrument software. Or connect to a hardware sound module. And on the Casio you can route that audio back into the piano. On the Kawai you need to use something else to get the sound out and into your ears.

Quote
"Any other pros and cons about these two?"


Kawai has 100 drum patterns in addition to just a basic metronome.

Kawai's triple pedal bar is attached to the stand (if you get either optional accessory) and definitely won't move around. But I don't know if that's a problem with the Casio pedal anyway.

Kawai has a "longer pivot length" in its keys, so playability is more consistent along the key.

The Casio is way more compact and lighter.

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2882959 08/24/19 08:48 AM
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 922
E
500 Post Club Member
Online Content
500 Post Club Member
E
Joined: Aug 2017
Posts: 922
About the other sounds (gazillions vs 19), it depends on what you want to do with the piano. IMO most "other" sounds are cr@ppy in most keyboards, e.g. RD2000. They may be useful in some situations in a gig but if your main purpose is playing piano at home, then built-in acoustic and electric pianos must suffice with some strings to layer with. Again, IMO.


Kawai ES8, Roland RD2000, Yamaha AG06 mixer, Presonus Eris E5 monitors, Sennheiser HD598SR phones.
Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2883024 08/24/19 01:18 PM
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,002
C
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
C
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,002
We could also confuse you by mentioning the Roland FP-10 and FP-30. They are very similar portable pianos than the Kawai and Casio and maybe something to consider.

But neither one has audio input, if that matters. They do have Bluetooth MIDI in most countries at least.

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2883096 08/24/19 06:21 PM
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,144
H
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
H
Joined: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,144
if playing an actual (acoustic/mechanical) piano interests you, the kawai will give you a better foundation, in terms of action and touch responsiveness. if you prefer the kawai's sound, that is also an important element of the touch/physical energy input/auditory response feed back. the casio's advantages are in other aspects, like compact size and portability.

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2883518 08/26/19 01:34 AM
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 33
P
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
P
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 33
Get the Kawai .

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2883760 08/26/19 06:31 PM
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 3
N
neret Offline OP
Junior Member
OP Offline
Junior Member
N
Joined: Aug 2019
Posts: 3
Thank you guys for all of your replies! I ended up buying the Kawai ES110 after an intense week of basically reading every review there is to find online of the best digital piano under 1000 dollars. I read reviews and watched about 200 videos on YouTube, comparing the Roland FP-10 (my choice at first), FP-30, Kawai ES110 and then Casio PX-S1000.

At first, I liked the sound and the pricepoint of Roland FP-10 for around 400-450 dollars, but when I realized that just 'a few dollars more' could give me something special, I knew I had to look closer at the Kawai as it has been named by many as the best digital piano you can find for under 1000 dollars, since it came two years ago and still going strong. The Roland-models are quite nice and I played the FP-30 but was not a fan of the keys at all. And the sound is bright, metallic and a bit exaggerated.

The new Casio-models made me a bit uncertain of my choice to pick the Kawai, for a few reasons but mainly being new models and maybe offering something new in terms of connectivity, sounds etc as ES110 has been out for two years. But while the Casio models offered some neat features like running on battery, having bluetooth audio and being portable, it wasn't really important to me as I would mostly stay at home practising anyway. And it's not that hard to just listen to music on other devices. Audio-IN could have been an argument for me but the Casio seem to be missing that too? The sound was more than fine on the Casio but there was just something genuine about the sound of the Kawai that gave me goose bumps. I have never owned a DP before but it was obvious when listening to people play it that Kawai know how to make pianos.

The grand piano sound is fantastic, the speakers are more than enough for an apartment, and I absolutely love the key action and the way they just 'pops' back up. The feel of the keys are very nice and I like it better than Roland's ivory feel.
Very happy with this purchase, especially as I got it for just 450 dollars (it had been on display at a store for a year with a few people playing on it, but it was as good as new and everything intact).

I know that Kawai will most likely release the ES120 in the beginning of next year, but I'm not really missing many functions and it will probably be more expensive than the current ES110. A few more sounds would have been welcomed, or a display as it is quite tricky to change stuff. But with Midi (and being able to convert to USB by buying a cable), line-out and a fantastic key action, there's not a lot more to ask for so I can highly recommend it for anyone who's thinking of buying a DP in this price range.

As mentioned earlier, the only thing that could have made it even better would have been to be able to use instrument sounds from a DAW (FL Studio) and get the sound out of the Kawai speakers. It would have been fun to play drums on the keys but I guess this can't be done? Someone mentioned a "hardware sound module", how does that work?

Thanks again for all replies smile

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2942470 02/04/20 06:33 AM
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 281
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 281
Bumping this topic for a specific reason...

On Youtube, there are comparison videos between all kind of DP models : Yamaha P125 vs Roland FP30 vs Casio PX-S1000 vs Kawai ES110, even older models like the Casio PX-160.
All these have been pitted against oneanother at some point in time, in various combinations. But what's strange, is that I haven't found one review/video (yet) that puts the PX-S1000 directly against the ES110, except for some comparison between tech specs.

At least, I haven't been able to find it yet. Anyone ?


A long time ago, in a musical galaxy far, far away...
Eminent-Solina B412, Yamaha DX21, Yamaha V50, Yamaha U1

21st century...
Kawai MP11SE, Kawai CA58
Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2942473 02/04/20 06:51 AM
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 192
_
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
_
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 192
I'm sure you've already seen enough from the armchair. All the specs, and probably also enough sound samples.

The rest you need to check in person. Key action and built-in speaker sound can't be described properly, and in the lightweight/budget range there are rather heavy compromises.
The PX-S1000/3000 ticked many checkboxes, but in person to me the key action and sound seemed worst-in-class. But this is highly subjective and YMMV.

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
_sem_ #2942485 02/04/20 07:53 AM
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,198
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,198
Originally Posted by _sem_

The PX-S1000/3000 ticked many checkboxes, but in person to me the key action and sound seemed worst-in-class.

I would expect nothing else from Casio. wink


Richwood RD-17C-CE | LaMancha Rubi CM-N | Yamaha P-515
Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
JoeT #2942517 02/04/20 10:21 AM
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 192
_
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
_
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 192
Originally Posted by JoeT

I would expect nothing else from Casio. wink


Why? Their GP series seems much nicer to me in key action and sound. The PX-S seems most into portabilty, perhaps a bit overdone.

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2942615 02/04/20 02:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 284
3
Full Member
Offline
Full Member
3
Joined: Jan 2020
Posts: 284
The Casio PX-S1000 sounds great with headphones, and after you adjust the touch settings to light. The onboard speakers are not that strong. Its action is great though.

Last edited by 3am_stargazing; 02/04/20 02:05 PM.

M-Audio Keystation 49 | Casio PX-S1000
Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
_sem_ #2942663 02/04/20 03:40 PM
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,198
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,198
Originally Posted by _sem_
Originally Posted by JoeT

I would expect nothing else from Casio. wink


Why? Their GP series seems much nicer to me in key action and sound. The PX-S seems most into portabilty, perhaps a bit overdone.


The GP models don't enhance the volume models of Casio in any way. And it might be the case, that those boutique consoles may be "worst in class" as well. I can't test them, because for my region, they seem to only exist on paper (so that anyone can throw a "but the GP..." into any discussion about Casio's digital pianos. wink )


Richwood RD-17C-CE | LaMancha Rubi CM-N | Yamaha P-515
Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2942687 02/04/20 04:52 PM
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,002
C
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
C
Joined: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,002
Before we are again accused of "Casio bashing" JoeT could clarify that "worst in class" only means that others are better and not that Casios are bad. wink

(But who am I to put words into other people's mouths...)

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2942747 02/04/20 07:00 PM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,226
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,226
The action caused me to sell my S3000 and get a ES110. I find I also prefer the ES110 sound. Especially Studio Grand 2 (sometimes with Light Touch set for quiet situations)


Playing professionally since 1975. Style: Straight-ahead jazz. Gear: Kawai ES110 | Mojo 61 | 1966 Mason & Hamlin piano
Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
RinTin #2943429 02/06/20 07:59 AM
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,352
1000 Post Club Member
Offline
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,352
Originally Posted by rintincop
The action caused me to sell my S3000 and get a ES110.
What was the issue with the action of the S3000?
Quote
I find I also prefer the ES110 sound. Especially Studio Grand 2 (sometimes with Light Touch set for quiet situations)

That's interesting. AFAIK, on the ES110, Concert Grand 2 and Studio Grand 2 use some very old samples from the first Kawai DPs. Probably they have just 1 velocity layer, so you feel all the limitations in the timbre (lack of detail and more muddiness) when you play at low velocities, compared with the EX. But from "mf" onwards they sound good, with some nice ringing resonances. The Studio Grand 2 variation has a more bright voicing, so you feel less muddiness in its sound, but then it's too much bright for my tastes...

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000
neret #2943733 02/07/20 01:15 AM
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,226
2000 Post Club Member
Offline
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2004
Posts: 2,226
I want to share my ES110 edits with you. I play bebop jazz piano and gig.

Grand Piano EX edit: Turn OFF the overly harsh and bright "Speaker EQ", set the ES110 to boot up from Power On with Speaker EQ set to OFF every time.

My favorite jazz piano in the ES110 is Studio Grand 2. I think it's compressed a bit, has the smoothest harmer strikes and its tone last longer after the initial hammer strike of the other ES110 pianos, imo. I find it ideal for bebop single note lines, a horn like legato. The other pianos are chunkier sounding (heavy attack, quicker decay). I don't have to hit as hard with Studio Grand 2... it's less fatiguing.

Rhodes edit: Taming the overly "Dyno-My"-Rhodes EP. It's much too jumpy.
Set Touch to Hard. Turn Off Auto-Pan. Save as a Registration.
You now have a more normal behaving vintage Fender Rhodes, less jumpy: less dingy bell, less jumpy overdrive, simply warmer and fatter. Only downside is it requires a heavier touch to play.


Playing professionally since 1975. Style: Straight-ahead jazz. Gear: Kawai ES110 | Mojo 61 | 1966 Mason & Hamlin piano

Moderated by  Piano World 

Link Copied to Clipboard
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Karsten Collection
(ad)
PianoDisc

PianoDisc
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad)
Mason & Hamlin Pianos
What's Hot!!
News from the Piano World
Our October 2020 Free Piano Newsletter is Here!
---------------------
3,000,000+!
------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Estonia L225 loses tune very quickly
by M_albert - 10/20/20 01:49 AM
Piano Safari Christmas collection
by ebonykawai - 10/19/20 08:59 PM
Another "beginner" piece w/twist
by MilesAbbott - 10/19/20 08:58 PM
Sostenuto Pedal....in an upright?
by Duaner - 10/19/20 06:38 PM
Download Sheet Music
Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics202,315
Posts3,015,360
Members98,949
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Virtual Sheet Music - Classical Sheet Music Downloads



 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2020 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.4