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Can you beat Beethoven??
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https://www.sportrelief.com/challenges/beat-beethoven

It looks like 2020 is going to be a runaway success for good ol' Luddy. Even runners have got in on the act thumb.

The burning question, of course, is - how long does it take to play Beethoven's 5th? Is the conductor going to take all repeats - including the exposition repeat in the finale (which most conductors don't)? Is he a speed merchant like Toscanini, or a lumberer like Klemperer? Who is the conductor anyway?

For me, this is the best recording ever made (and it has all repeats):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNpyRBVTavQ

So, 34 minutes (to give yourself a little elbow room to elbow & jostle the other runners out of the way - racers amongst us know all about that wink ) to run 5K means you have to run at an average speed of no slower than 5.483 mph to beat ol' Luddy. A decent speed for a jogger, an easy pace for a runner.

Who's up for it?


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From what I've read, Johann van Beethoven beat everybody to the punch.

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Originally Posted by Mattardo
From what I've read, Johann van Beethoven beat everybody to the punch.


...and ended up drunker than everyone else!

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I wouldn't.

More than 30 years ago, I managed to run 5000m in 22'52". These days are over.
Maybe the 9th symphony instead?


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I hope we are not talking about punching someone in the face again.

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Originally Posted by patH
I wouldn't.

More than 30 years ago, I managed to run 5000m in 22'52". These days are over.
Maybe the 9th symphony instead?

5K in 75 minutes is classified as a gentle stroll wink .

But the Pastoral might be a good compromise, giving the jogger an extra ten minutes or so, and anyway, Luddy was known to stroll briskly at 4 mph through the Vienna Woods admiring the birds and the bees, while dreaming up tunes for his sketchbook (which was of course appropriated by Johann in Geschichten aus dem Wienerwald wink : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJNa2d1zLuQ )


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I ran a 21:18 5k and a 5:58 mile when I was 46 years old. That was my peak. I never ran seriously when I was younger so I don’t know how fast I could have been.

Nobody gets faster with age, beyond a certain point. We’re all on the curve of life.

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Originally Posted by bennevis
https://www.sportrelief.com/challenges/beat-beethoven

The burning question, of course, is - how long does it take to play Beethoven's 5th? Is the conductor going to take all repeats - including the exposition repeat in the finale (which most conductors don't)? Is he a speed merchant like Toscanini, or a lumberer like Klemperer? Who is the conductor anyway?



None of Toscanini's renditions of Beethoven 5th are particularly fast - the finale in general was particularly broad.


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In high school, I used to run a 5k in around 21 minutes.

Now, well let's not talk about that! ha

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As we're now discussing our athletic prowess, it's on record that on my first day in my new high school in the West, all the (fifty or so) boys had to run across the soccer field in front of all the girls, who cheered us on. I distinguished myself by........coming last cry.

I resolved never to take up anything resembling a sporting pursuit for the rest of my life, and luckily, the school, in its wisdom, allowed me to play chess instead of having to get hot & sweaty & breathless. But I was a late bloomer in everything (including music & piano), and I discovered my long-undiscovered sporting abilities late in life whistle.

Which was why I took up running in my late thirties after having taken up hiking and mountaineering (and getting hot & sweaty & breathless) not long previously - because I wanted to do the London Marathon, of course. One should always have lofty goals, otherwise there's no point having goals. And thus I did my first race - 10K - a few months into my running career. I never ran a 5K race (though I ran a cross-country 6K hill race once, on snow & ice, in which I discovered that the fastest way down a steep hill was to slide down on one's butt smirk ).

As a late bloomer, I'm still blooming in my old age (though not in running), but my fastest 10K (41:18) was achieved at the ripe old age of 42, which I ran at an average speed of 9.03mph. Using a formula devised by Pete Riegel (in Runner's World), my best 5K time would have been 19:48.

Fast enough to beat Luddy's 5th anytime, anywhere........ whistle


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Originally Posted by Hank Drake

None of Toscanini's renditions of Beethoven 5th are particularly fast - the finale in general was particularly broad.



I must find a recording of Toscanini's Beet 5 to check that out.......

I have to say that none of Arturo's recordings of any music that I've heard so far are on the slow side.


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Originally Posted by bennevis
As we're now discussing our athletic prowess, it's on record that on my first day in my new high school in the West, all the (fifty or so) boys had to run across the soccer field in front of all the girls, who cheered us on. I distinguished myself by........coming last cry.


I remember my friend's mother used to take my brothers and me to a running track. I'd always be beaten by my friend's little sister. I was grateful when asthma intervened to rescue me from sports in school. grin

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As we're now discussing our athletic prowess, it's on record that on my first day in my new high school in the West, all the (fifty or so) boys had to run across the soccer field in front of all the girls, who cheered us on. I distinguished myself by........coming last cry.


I remember my friend's mother used to take my brothers and me to a running track. I'd always be beaten by my friend's little sister. I was grateful when asthma intervened to rescue me from sports in school. grin

Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), I had no medical problems, part from being unfit and flabby and podgy and useless at any sport.

Even when playing football (= soccer) as a kid, I was always the goalkeeper, because I couldn't run, let alone dribble. (I couldn't save either, but the defenders saved the balls for me smirk ). I made up for my distinct lack of any sort of prowess by having a good collection of football kit, especially shoes (as promoted by the football stars in my day).......

I think my childhood peers would have been quite astonished to find out that I developed into a lean, mean, running & climbing machine in my middle & old age (well, not so mean, but certainly lean whistle). As Plato once said, it's never too late to bloom......


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Try the 1939 Beethoven 5th. The finale is among the slowest I've ever heard (he does not play the repeat).

I agree his many renditions of the 9th tended to be fast.


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