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Rickster and apple*, I watched your videos, and I've got only one thing to say: BRAVO!
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Hey Rickster and apple* Wonderful! I really enjoyed your music. We could use more of this around here. Thank you both very much. Best, Bear
Barry J "Bear" Arnaut ♫ 46 Years in the Piano Industry Retired Kawai/Shigeru Kawai Regional Manager (My posts and threads are my opinions only)
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Originally posted by Philip926: Rickster and apple*,
I watched your videos, and I've got only one thing to say: BRAVO! I concur!
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Originally posted by Marty Flinn: IMO vertical pianos below 48" are frequently engineered and built to a price. The concept of these instruments are often led by marketing considerations. This holds true to the entry level smallest grands from popular companies as well. Once beyond this level, performance considerations way heavier than marketing. Are you looking to heat it up around here
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Originally posted by Marty Flinn: Jonnie P.
Your characterization of Yamaha C series as "sharp metallic" is very subjective. This "concept" is frequently planted by those selling against Yamaha. I never said that this metalic sound is a bad thing. I like Yamahas and was not atacking anything. My point that seems to be missed here is to find out if any piano vendors state specific characteristics as a target when designing a piano and how do they arrive at a set of criteria this complex? Is each piano the vision of a single designer? etc. This is the conversation I was trying to get going - not an attack on Yamaha or Steinway. I stated that this was subjective and if I wanted a twangy sounding piano, I'd buy a C3 in a heartbeat! - OK - just kidding
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I really cannot see how one could argue about the sound of a piano by putting up sound or video samples here. E.g. there is the video sample on an Estonia put up by apple* here in this thread: http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=WGCAT7Setis ...and another Bach recording on the SAME Estonia also by apple* in another thread some time ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwI8li5pSF0 First of all I appreciate the playing in both videos: BRAVO! But when I listen to that second recording and compare it to the first one, even when I watched that second recording for the first time, I said to myself if that would be the SOUND of an Estonia, then never ever. The medium highs in the second recording sound brassy, harsh; one could easily argue these or recordings from two completely different piano brands. Perhaps in the second recording the Estonia was out of tune, the miking was less good, a different recorder was used ....? Maybe if different pianos were recorded in the same room, by the same sound engineer, with the same settings and recording equipment, one could show something? schwammerl.
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Originally posted by schwammerl: I really cannot see how one could argue about the sound of a piano by putting up sound or video samples here.
E.g. there is the video sample on an Estonia put up by apple* here in this thread:
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=WGCAT7Setis
...and another Bach recording on the SAME Estonia also by apple* in another thread some time ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwI8li5pSF0
First of all I appreciate the playing in both videos: BRAVO!
But when I listen to that second recording and compare it to the first one, even when I watched that second recording for the first time, I said to myself if that would be the SOUND of an Estonia, then never ever.
The medium highs in the second recording sound brassy, harsh; one could easily argue these or recordings from two completely different piano brands.
Perhaps in the second recording the Estonia was out of tune, the miking was less good, a different recorder was used ....? Maybe if different pianos were recorded in the same room, by the same sound engineer, with the same settings and recording equipment, one could show something?
schwammerl. Very interesting. The second recording was made the very day of a tuning. a stretched romantic tuning that seems to take a week or so to settle into a glorious sound. it's the same piano, different camera, (different sound device) and different player.. just a couple days after my first chemo... i was so weak and compromised. you have a good ear schwammerl. the good thing about that tuning is that it is so nice for so long, but the bad thing is that it is not so nice the first week.. it's kind of shrill. it really sounds lovely most of the time. Next time i'll have to get it tuned well before a get together.
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love and peace, Õun (apple in Estonian)
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Apple, I think your Estonia sounds magnificent in both videos! I’ll trade you my Tokai for your Estonia . I enjoyed your videos much! Take care, Rickster
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I just wonder if Yamaha's C series was meant to have a sharp metallic sound and is this something that musicians were asking for or is this just the way that this line of pianos turned out? To my ear, every Yamaha I've ever played over the past 40 years has what I prefer to call their "signature sound". I think that if the sound did not conform to their ideal, they would have "correced" it by now.
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I just wonder if Yamaha's C series was meant to have a sharp metallic sound and is this something that musicians were asking for or is this just the way that this line of pianos turned out? To my ear, every Yamaha I've ever played over the past 40 years has what I prefer to call their "signature sound". I think that if the sound did not conform to their ideal, they would have "corrected" it by now.
Yamaha C1 6231705 My other piano is a harpsichord.
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Sorry, tried to edit for spelling.
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[/QUOTE]To my ear, every Yamaha I've ever played over the past 40 years has what I prefer to call their "signature sound". I think that if the sound did not conform to their ideal, they would have "corrected" it by now. [/QUOTE] Yamaha was just an arbitrary example. I'm not trying to get a thread going about Yamaha or my opinion about any particular piano. I'd just like to know how the sound of a new line of instruments is derived - a bunch of folks sitting in a meeting? One person's vision? Does anyone around here have the industry experience to discuss this without being defensive about the pianos they sell? Please - no more discussion of Yamaha - I should have just said "Piano X" to get the thread going without the topic being hijacked. Jeeze - Am I getting all worked up or what?
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To my ear, every Yamaha I've ever played over the past 40 years has what I prefer to call their "signature sound". I think that if the sound did not conform to their ideal, they would have "corrected" it by now. Yamaha was just an arbitrary example. I'm not trying to get a thread going about Yamaha or my opinion about any particular piano. I'd just like to know how the sound of a new line of instruments is derived - a bunch of folks sitting in a meeting? One person's vision? Does anyone around here have the industry experience to discuss this without being defensive about the pianos they sell? Please - no more discussion of Yamaha - I should have just said "Piano X" to get the thread going without the topic being hijacked. Jeeze - Am I getting all worked up or what?
Jonnie P. Seattle, WA
Kawai RX-2 ES
Obsessive behaviour: Jazz and other forms of piano improvisation
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