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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2939809 01/28/20 03:30 PM
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Check the Juno DS series. They might fit your needs and battery powered if need be.


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2939953 01/28/20 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Alicia1
Yes, they are good but i mean they are about 10yrs old and there are specific sounds that just weren't there yet that I really want to use in music even tho I havent check all the MX series!

What sounds do you mean?


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2940052 01/29/20 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Alicia1
SUPER , thanks!! :))
I am always thinking to get Yamaha! Maby in the end it is good idea smile

Is yamaha MODx6 the new version of like MX61?


It's a bit more complicated -- the MX61 is a very stripped-down, simplified version of a Yamaha Motif. The Yamaha Montage is the follow-on to the Motif, and the MODX is a version of the Montage:

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/yamaha-modx

Sound On Sound is a very reliable source. They review lots of synths, and often the manufacturer arranges for free, public access to the reviews. So you should be able to find reviews of several of the Korg and Roland and Yamaha keyboards that we've mentioned.

As for wanting "new sounds", the beauty of a programmable synth is that you can make them up yourself, or load them from third-party libraries. Not all synths let you do that, and not all musicians become sound designers.


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: anotherscott] #2940065 01/29/20 03:40 AM
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Yes, hammer action, dynamics are important for sure, even more important than effects. I start to think if I need a seperare midi keyboard for effects.. I think it will take me few weeks to choose the right instrument but thanks alot, I am taking advises and putting everything together smile as well as seeing whats best on market.


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2940075 01/29/20 04:08 AM
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Alicia1, may I ask, what is your musical background?

Are you able to play the piano/keyboard already?
Do you play in bands already?

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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2940169 01/29/20 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Alicia1
Is yamaha MODx6 the new version of like MX61?

Expanding on what Charles said... The MX sound set was a subset of the Motif XS, though with fewer effects (the Motif XS could put two insert effects on a sound, the MX can only put one such effect on a sound). The MX has 166 mb of the 355 mb of wave data in the Motif XS.

Since all the MX sounds (except possibly piano) are in the Motif XS, and all the Motif XS are included in the Motif XF, and all the Motif XF sounds are included in the Montage, and the MODX has the same sounds as the Montage, that means that essentially all the MX sounds (and a lot more) are included in the MODX.

The MX61 and MODX6 are both current products. The MODX gives you just about everything that's in the MX, and a whole lot more. Both are also available in 88-key hammer action versions. The reason I did not include them on my list in the earlier post is that none of them have speakers OR drum pads. But who knows, you might like the Yamaha sounds best.

Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2940364 01/29/20 06:44 PM
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You probably are not going to travel with an 88-key hammer weight action. It will be big and heavy. You really need to try out the actions in the keyboards before making up your mind. And if you want built in speakers, you usually won’t get a line level output, just a headphone out which will be noisy hooked up to a PA or keyboard amp. Are you looking just to play for yourself or perform in public?


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2940376 01/29/20 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Alicia1
Yes, hammer action, dynamics are important for sure, even more important than effects. I start to think if I need a seperare midi keyboard for effects.. I think it will take me few weeks to choose the right instrument but thanks alot, I am taking advises and putting everything together smile as well as seeing whats best on market.


Well, the MX88 has a hammer action. On the other hand, the MX61 and MX49 have unweighted keys.

The MX61 and MX49 are far more portable though.


The MX49 is 3.9 kg, the MX61 is 4.8kg, while the MX88 is 13.9 kg.

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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Kawai James] #2940455 01/30/20 03:21 AM
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Yes I play piano already, have played since I was kid. I don't yet play with other instruments but I am paralely practising recording, so I do my songs.


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2940456 01/30/20 03:25 AM
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Thanks alot for advices and info. Yes I want piano for performing as well as practise, recording.

I will go with my 1st plan to go to Just music store in Berlin when I arrive there and really check on instruments ofcourse Yamaha mx series also smile that is def needed.


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Charles Cohen] #2940458 01/30/20 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
Originally Posted by Alicia1
SUPER , thanks!! :))
I am always thinking to get Yamaha! Maby in the end it is good idea smile

Is yamaha MODx6 the new version of like MX61?


It's a bit more complicated -- the MX61 is a very stripped-down, simplified version of a Yamaha Motif. The Yamaha Montage is the follow-on to the Motif, and the MODX is a version of the Montage:

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/yamaha-modx

Sound On Sound is a very reliable source. They review lots of synths, and often the manufacturer arranges for free, public access to the reviews. So you should be able to find reviews of several of the Korg and Roland and Yamaha keyboards that we've mentioned.

As for wanting "new sounds", the beauty of a programmable synth is that you can make them up yourself, or load them from third-party libraries. Not all synths let you do that, and not all musicians become sound designers.





Thanks!!


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2940548 01/30/20 10:25 AM
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Alicia, you are going to find it difficult and expensive to combine both a piano with full-weighted hammer-action keys that you were used to playing as a kid, with the synth type functionality and drum pads you want for punk rock and heavier. In fact, if you want to stick with only 61 keys, it will be impossible. Manufacturers of full-weighted hammer-action keyboards just don't make 61 key keyboards as the demand isn't there - a 61-key keyboard can't play a broad enough range of piano repertoire. If you want all the functionality, and 61 keys, and not to spend an arm and a leg, you're going to need to go with an unweighted or semi-weighted synth type keyboard. Many keyboard players aren't piano players and don't think of weighting of keys as a good thing for what they do.


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2940578 01/30/20 11:19 AM
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Thanks for advice.
I will need to feel it when I am at shop. I think the best way is to spend time in good market and feel it smile I really want to try out Yamaha DP options live, they seem affordable and practical. For me it is more about the sound, even if would be light keys. smile
I learnt more of what I need, was starting with wanting midi but learnt that actually I want the speakers also.. For now Yamaha mx series from what I see online is my thing, really need to try them life..

I checked the shop in Berlin and it has some Yamaha options, and price is not so different there, if it feels good prob would take it, but will keep on searching and reading about keyboards etc still. It feels a huge world heh


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Originally Posted by Alicia1
Thanks for advice.
I will need to feel it when I am at shop. I think the best way is to spend time in good market and feel it smile I really want to try out Yamaha DP options live, they seem affordable and practical. For me it is more about the sound, even if would be light keys. smile
I learnt more of what I need, was starting with wanting midi but learnt that actually I want the speakers also.. For now Yamaha mx series from what I see online is my thing, really need to try them life..

I checked the shop in Berlin and it has some Yamaha options, and price is not so different there, if it feels good prob would take it, but will keep on searching and reading about keyboards etc still. It feels a huge world heh

If you are willing to go with unweighted or semi-weighted keys, then I think you will have lots of options. You then are in the sweet spot of synth players and you should be able to find some functionality-rich keyboards for your price point.


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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Sweelinck] #2940653 01/30/20 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
You probably are not going to travel with an 88-key hammer weight action. It will be big and heavy.

It's relative, and it depends on what kind of travel he's talking about. Some of the options discussed (MX88, Kross 88, PX560) are in the 27-31 lb range, with the PX560 being the physically smallest of them.

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And if you want built in speakers, you usually won’t get a line level output, just a headphone out which will be noisy hooked up to a PA or keyboard amp.

There are plenty of boards with speakers and line outs (e.g. all the Casio Privias, the Kawais, some Korg); and even some using headphone outs can get you perfectly good results. (Some of the manufacturers even tell you that you can use your headphone jack as a line out.)


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Originally Posted by anotherscott
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You probably are not going to travel with an 88-key hammer weight action. It will be big and heavy.

It's relative, and it depends on what kind of travel he's talking about. Some of the options discussed (MX88, Kross 88, PX560) are in the 27-31 lb range, with the PX560 being the physically smallest of them


That's true.

The MX88 (at 13.9 kg) would be portable in the sense you could take it in the car (if you lower the car seats), and move it between cities. But you probably can't take it on a plane, or carry it around easily.

If you are travelling in your own country, it could be convenient. But not if you are travelling abroad.

On the other hand the MX49 (at 3.8 kg) is actually portable in the sense you could take it in the plane, and carry it around on holiday abroad. It's only the weight of 2 laptops.

(I'm interested in the MX49 for taking on holiday with me due to its light weight.)

Op said they wanted something portable and also now they say they want weighted keys, so they are a bit incompatible requirements. As boards with weighted keys are at least 11-12kg +

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Re: What kinda piano to choose? Needed for rec., perf.,practise [Re: Alicia1] #2940846 01/31/20 01:42 AM
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Some of the manufacturers even tell you that you can use your headphone jack as a line out.

What they usually don’t tell you is that the headphone output stage maya be noisy compared to the line level output on other keyboards. This typically limits the level of amplification if you want a clean sound.


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I've never heard complaints about noisy headphone outputs. Mine are noise free.
Are they only noisy on the low-end keyboards?

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yes, will need to go with unweighted keys, but it's ok, till the sound is good.

Hm, that's a good point about quality trough amplifiers, wouldn't want any crackings etc.


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