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If major scale is
Maj-Min-Min-Maj-Maj-Min-Dim-Maj

What is the minor scale progression ?

.... related to above question.
Have a song in key of F.
Song starts and ends in Dm.

What would be the 2-5 chord progression before Dm ?

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That song is probably in the key of D minor.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
That song is probably in the key of D minor.

Could be ... staff shows one flat.
I understand Dm is relative to key of F.

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Originally Posted by draft
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
That song is probably in the key of D minor.

Could be ... staff shows one flat.
I understand Dm is relative to key of F.

Yes, both F major and D minor have B flat in key signature.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
That song is probably in the key of D minor.

Could be ... staff shows one flat.
I understand Dm is relative to key of F.

Yes, both F major and D minor have B flat in key signature.


The question in the OP is asking for the chord progression between the two keys

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Originally Posted by draft
If major scale is
Maj-Min-Min-Maj-Maj-Min-Dim-Maj

What is the minor scale progression ?

You can easily find it out. Remember that A minor and ะก major share the same white keyboard keys (no flats, no sharps), then just begin enumerating chords starting with Am chord.

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If major scale is
Maj-Min-Min-Maj-Maj-Min-Dim-Maj

What is the minor scale progression ?

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Min-Dim-Maj-Min-Min-Maj-Maj

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Min-Dim-Maj-Min-Min-Maj-Maj


Thanks ... yes I should have been able to figure it out.

I needed someone to confirm it for me.

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Originally Posted by draft
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Min-Dim-Maj-Min-Min-Maj-Maj


Thanks ... yes I should have been able to figure it out.

I needed someone to confirm it for me.


Min-Dim-Maj-Min-Min-Maj-Maj-Min is correct if we're talking the natural minor scale. If, on the other hand, the piece is based on the harmonic minor scale, then the 7th is raised, resulting in a different chord progression.

Is there a C# in the piece? Then you're looking at D harmonic minor, and the chord progression would instead be this:

Min-Dim-Aug-Min-Maj-Maj-Dim-Min.

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Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
Min-Dim-Maj-Min-Min-Maj-Maj


Thanks ... yes I should have been able to figure it out.

I needed someone to confirm it for me.


Min-Dim-Maj-Min-Min-Maj-Maj-Min is correct if we're talking the natural minor scale. If, on the other hand, the piece is based on the harmonic minor scale, then the 7th is raised, resulting in a different chord progression.

Is there a C# in the piece? Then you're looking at D harmonic minor, and the chord progression would instead be this:

Min-Dim-Aug-Min-Maj-Maj-Dim-Min.


There is a C# as part of an A Maj chord.

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Trying to learn chord substitution are adding in chords.

Wanting to see if chords could be added at (2) and (5) of screen shot attached.

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Originally Posted by draft
Originally Posted by Iaroslav Vasiliev
That song is probably in the key of D minor.

Could be ... staff shows one flat.
I understand Dm is relative to key of F.

Just a quick one on basic concepts which will make communication easier in the future.

A key signature of one flat (Bb) indicates that the piece is either in the key of F major or D minor.

"key" means the Tonic which the music gravitates on tends to start on, and end on. So to determine whether a piece is in a major key or its relative minor, find what the Tonic probably is. Also since you'll probably have V-I cadences, look for the V of both F (C or C7) and of D (A or A7 or sometimes you'll have Am or Am7 which is not much of a cadence). So you'll see C-F, C7-F, or you'll see A-Dm, A7-Dm.

The major scale tends to be stable: it is what it is. Minor scales have variants, and the part they all have in common is the minor 3rd. You can have a natural minor, harmonic minor, melodic minor, and also Dorian scale. Since different degree notes are raised or lowered, you will also end up with different chord progressions according to those alterations.

The best way to find out what these are is by working them out. Write out each of these scales, and then work out what chords you get for (generic) I II III IV V VI VII. You can use your ear to help you, as well as your knowledge of basic theory.

(These are some prerequisite facts that you need, in order to get at the rest.)

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Thanks for the input keystring.

The verses of the song (not shown) stay in Dm - Bb - Gm - Dm.

A few measures in the refrain section shown above, go to the F - C - F,
but back to the Dm - A - Dm.

So can you say the song switch's keys between Dm and F ?

Once you get deeper into harmonic minor, melodic minor, etc ..., I'm lost.

OK though, I do not need to learn all that at this time.

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Originally Posted by draft
Thanks for the input keystring.

The verses of the song (not shown) stay in Dm - Bb - Gm - Dm.

A few measures in the refrain section shown above, go to the F - C - F,
but back to the Dm - A - Dm.

So can you say the song switch's keys between Dm and F ?

Once you get deeper into harmonic minor, melodic minor, etc ..., I'm lost.

OK though, I do not need to learn all that at this time.

This whole post should probably be better placed in the ABF (Adult "Beginner" Forum). You're getting answers from non-teachers (I am also not a piano teacher) because teachers tend to discuss teaching issues here, rather than getting into teaching.

Without seeing much more of the score, it is impossible to tell whether the music has "switched keys". A single measure would not be enough. This (Teoria) is an excellent site for getting a handle on basic theory.

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You want to add a turnaround into bar 2? Why? There is no reason for it. It disturbs the phrygian turn in bar 4/5.


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One more suggestion, and this is a bit more pedagogically related.

Listen to the piece.

It may be above your level to play it fluently. If you can, record it (just set your phone on the music desk and hit video). Listen, listen, listen. The difference between major and minor is not theoretical, chords and key signatures - it's in the sound. Listening for that is one of the skills you need to develop.

If this piece is hard to play smoothly, and that is very likely for a beginner, then type it into a music notation program. There are any number of free ones that will work. (another skill to add someday) Then use the playback feature to hear what it should sound like. Caution, don't substitute rote learning from a recording for reading the music at your stage.


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Originally Posted by keystring

This whole post should probably be better placed in the ABF (Adult "Beginner" Forum). You're getting answers from non-teachers (I am also not a piano teacher) because teachers tend to discuss teaching issues here, rather than getting into teaching.

Without seeing much more of the score, it is impossible to tell whether the music has "switched keys". A single measure would not be enough. This (Teoria) is an excellent site for getting a handle on basic theory.


Please move if needed.

Thanks for the link keystring, will check it out.

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You want to add a turnaround into bar 2? Why? There is no reason for it. It disturbs the phrygian turn in bar 4/5.


Just trying to learn different things.

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One more suggestion, and this is a bit more pedagogically related.

Listen to the piece.

It may be above your level to play it fluently. If you can, record it (just set your phone on the music desk and hit video). Listen, listen, listen. The difference between major and minor is not theoretical, chords and key signatures - it's in the sound. Listening for that is one of the skills you need to develop.

If this piece is hard to play smoothly, and that is very likely for a beginner, then type it into a music notation program. There are any number of free ones that will work. (another skill to add someday) Then use the playback feature to hear what it should sound like. Caution, don't substitute rote learning from a recording for reading the music at your stage.

Thanks for your suggestions ... I do have Musescore but have not used that much, time to learn that also.

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