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Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool #2938448 01/25/20 01:44 PM
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So, I'll let you guys in on a secret. I ordered a Yamaha DYUS1, which is a YUS1 acoustic upright that has the solenoid-based Disklavier player mechanism added to it.

This was a special order and so the piano is a number of months away from being delivered to me. I'm crossing my fingers that everything goes well.

I'm not interested in talking about any specifics of my deal, but I am interested in learning more about how a Disklavier could be used to further my study. I am a beginner, and so, I am hoping that I can use the features of the Disklavier to improve how I practice.

I can see how recording the left and right hands separately and then playing against them could help me. I can also see that being able to vary the tempo of the playback would also be helpful.

I'm looking forward to being able to hear a mechanical reproduction of my playing from across the room. smile Perhaps I'll be able to use that feature to improve how I sound. After all, none of us get a chance to hear how we sound away from the piano, at least, not in this way, with the keys being played mechanically.

I'll be able to capture a video of myself playing and then watch the playback as the piano plays, and the keys and pedal move, I think that's pretty cool, and that it will help me adjust how I physically move at the keyboard.

Anyway, I'm open to more suggestions on how I'll be able use the Disklavier in my practice.

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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938514 01/25/20 04:50 PM
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That is what I do with my digital piano, I listen to my recording and try to improve. With my acoustic, I use a webcam and a laptop. I think Yamaha is selling professional recordings made for Disklavier, it could be fun to watch mister invisible performs on your piano.



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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: Serge88] #2938570 01/25/20 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Serge88
That is what I do with my digital piano, I listen to my recording and try to improve. With my acoustic, I use a webcam and a laptop. I think Yamaha is selling professional recordings made for Disklavier, it could be fun to watch mister invisible performs on your piano.



Yes, there are hundreds of recordings available for the Disklavier, many sold by Yamaha, and it will play any midi file, so there is no limit to the amount of music that can be played on it. Part of the reason I decided on the Disklavier was so that I could play more advanced repertoire than I could play. I am a beginner after all. So, when my wife asked me how soon I would be able to play the Chopin Nocturnes, I landed on the idea of buying a Disklavier so that she could listen to a professional play them before I managed to learn them!


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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938573 01/25/20 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LarryK
So, I'll let you guys in on a secret. I ordered a Yamaha DYUS1, which is a YUS1 acoustic upright that has the solenoid-based Disklavier player mechanism added to it.

This was a special order and so the piano is a number of months away from being delivered to me. I'm crossing my fingers that everything goes well.

Congrats on the new piano!!!! 🎊


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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2938576 01/25/20 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
So, I'll let you guys in on a secret. I ordered a Yamaha DYUS1, which is a YUS1 acoustic upright that has the solenoid-based Disklavier player mechanism added to it.

This was a special order and so the piano is a number of months away from being delivered to me. I'm crossing my fingers that everything goes well.

Congrats on the new piano!!!! 🎊


Thanks! I don't have anything yet, and it may all go wrong, but hopefully not!


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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938587 01/25/20 07:54 PM
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It sounds wonderful. Count me jealous. .


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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938595 01/25/20 08:09 PM
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Wow! How wonderful! Congratulations!!!! Please post pictures on and after delivery! And I, for one, want to hear all about the Disklavier. Yay!!!!! grin


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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938597 01/25/20 08:16 PM
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I have feeling you are going love this instrument !

Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938603 01/25/20 08:38 PM
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Listening to your playing is one of the most important things you can do. I don't think it's important to listen from across the room, however.

Besides recording one hand and playing the other which may not be that useful you could play real duet music with yourself by recording one part and playing the other. It's possible Disklavier has prerecorded duets so you only have to learn one part. I know PianoDisc has this possibility. There are some really beautiful 4 hand piano works that are not too advanced.

Here's a variety of the duet scenario that might be possible on your piano. It was recorded a few years ago by a very talented PW member:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_cOIi1FRys

I bet there are many Youtube videos showing things that can be done with a Disklavier.

Congratulations on you new piano!

Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938604 01/25/20 08:38 PM
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Thanks everybody! I’m excited about getting it. I was happy to learn that Yamaha uses German Wurzen felt on the hammers after someone posted a video of how the felt is made. They also use Röslau bass strings. I know the piano will not be as good as a high quality German upright but I think it will be more than sufficient for my needs.


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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938606 01/25/20 08:49 PM
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Oh, pedaling, I’m looking forward to being able to analyze how I pedaled a piece, after the fact. I don’t alway know if I’ve done it properly in every measure of a piece, but with the Disklavier I’ll be able to watch the pedal move.


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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938614 01/25/20 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LarryK
Oh, pedaling, I’m looking forward to being able to analyze how I pedaled a piece, after the fact. I don’t alway know if I’ve done it properly in every measure of a piece, but with the Disklavier I’ll be able to watch the pedal move.


I hadn’t thought about that! That could be really useful. I’ve always suffered mild pedal anxiety when I play. grin


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Oh, pedaling, I’m looking forward to being able to analyze how I pedaled a piece, after the fact. I don’t alway know if I’ve done it properly in every measure of a piece, but with the Disklavier I’ll be able to watch the pedal move.


I hadn’t thought about that! That could be really useful. I’ve always suffered mild pedal anxiety when I play. grin


Me too, I suffer from pedal anxiety, as in, peddling too much, or forgetting to pedal.

It's funny, the one Disklavier remote learning class that Frederic Chiu did with the Disklavier dealt with what he calls "surgical pedaling" using the shift pedal. I know I won't be getting a grand with the Disklavier Pro system but I can dream. Here is that video:



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Re: Suggest ways to use a Disklavier as a learning tool [Re: LarryK] #2938675 01/26/20 03:11 AM
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The video on this page:

http://yamahaden.com/resources-2/item/356-understanding-the-disklavier-pro

compares the Disklavier Standard and Pro versions.

Since grands and uprights sound profoundly different, and the Pro system is not offered on any Yamaha upright, there is no way of knowing what difference in playback quality could be realized by installing the Pro system on an upright.

Do all digital pianos provide 128 values for “hammer” velocity and key release velocity?

My understanding of the work on the Pro system is that it stashes those extra velocity values in unused midi channels.

I love the quote from Rubinstein, mentioned in the video, that the pedal is the soul of the pianoforte. Looking at real-time pedaling information on playback seems to confirm this opinion. My teacher says, the pedal is magic.

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