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Software to record videos #2937901 01/24/20 05:16 AM
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For those that record video's of their playing, is there (windows) software that you recommend?


I'm looking for software that is as simple/user friendly as possible, and let's me record both video and audio together.

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Re: Software to record videos [Re: U3piano] #2937914 01/24/20 06:14 AM
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One of the reasons why I bought a separate device for recording video was audio syncing problems when recording with my Windows computer. I could not solve the problem with either using the onborad camera of the laptop or using a USB camera. I was recording the sound through a USB soundcard.

But things might have improved since.

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Not sure what you are implying your workflow is going to be? Given your thread about microphones for recording, I sort of assume that you are going to separately record video and audio, and then you are going to sync the two together.

I use linux as my desktop, but the software I mention is both windows and linux based (actually also mac - but I think I am likely to use iMovie if I use a mac)

The software to record audio is most probably Audacity. It is free but fully featured audio editor. It does have the ability to remove the noise floor from recordings, but I don't actually know if that is desirable in piano recording. You'll see it mentioned quite a lot in the methods people have used for the ABF Recitals.

In the past, I've used openshot and blender as my video editors - but blender is over complicated and its more designed for animation. I have been thinking that kdenlive is a halfway house that could do the job - since there are several youtube videos up on how to use it to sync audio and video, but I just found this video



In it he does refer to kdenlive and it does seems to have a syncing tool.


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Re: Software to record videos [Re: Hakki] #2937929 01/24/20 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by akc42
Not sure what you are implying your workflow is going to be? Given your thread about microphones for recording, I sort of assume that you are going to separately record video and audio, and then you are going to sync the two together.


I had changed my mind about that. (again)

Right now I thought it would be the best if I just:

1. Buy an audio interface. (and of course connect the microphones to it.)
2. Use a PC or the laptop i already have in the living room, and connect that to the audio interface
3. Use a usb/wifi smarthphone/camera connected to the pc through USB or WIFI for the video part

I thought i could just Record video + audio together this way with the right software, but... i didn't know about this:

Originally Posted by Hakki
One of the reasons why I bought a separate device for recording video was audio syncing problems when recording with my Windows computer. I could not solve the problem with either using the onborad camera of the laptop or using a USB camera. I was recording the sound through a USB soundcard.

But things might have improved since.


To try things out I just recorded a video with my smartphone and audio with my old zoom H4 and synced it using the trial version of Movavi. I'd rather not have to do that, but I must say it wasn't such a big deal after all.

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I believe this topic is discussed here quite a bit. And, as usual, I'm not all that good at recording my music videos. But I have over a 100 music videos on my YouTube channel, and some of them have quite a few views. This is something I enjoy and have a lot of fun doing, and although some of my videos are better than others, none of them are all that good.

Anyway, years ago, I used a basic, inexpensive camcorder, and Windows Microsoft "Movie Maker" software. That worked fine, for my purposes. When I bought a new desktop computer, with Windows 10, it didn't have the MovieMaker software on it, and I tried to find it to download to my new PC, and saw that it was more or less outdated and no longer supported by Microsoft.

So, after a little research, I decided on ShotCut video editing software for Windows, which was open source and free. However, it is not that easy to learn to use, especially for non-computer geeks like me, but I figured it out, slowly but surely. Also, I purchased Zoom H4n stereo recorder for the audio portion of my videos. Shotcut allows you to add/sync a separate audio file with the video file. You just mute the audio portion of the video file. Synchronizing the separate video and audio is a biggest challenge, but I'm getting better at it. The Zoom H4n recorder does have a better quality audio than the built-in camcorder audio.

I've been told by some of my YouTube fans that since some of my music video are quite popular, I really need a better quality recording set-up. I've thought about that, but I honestly do this just for fun and entertainment, or entertaining myself mostly; but I do like to think that others enjoy my music videos as well. smile

My older JVC Everio mini camcorder is getting some age and wear on it, so I may invest in a new Zoom combination video/audio recorder at some point.

Not sure this helps, but I hope it does, at least to some extent. smile

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You can check with OBS (Open Broadcast Software), free and open source software for video recording and live streaming. Windows, macOS, linux.



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Apparently things have not changed much.

https://youtu.be/jjMa_go7RJ4

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IMO, you will have to deal with syncing problems if you go with a PC and USB camera. Probably irrelevant of the software used.

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Originally Posted by Hakki
IMO, you will have to deal with syncing problems if you go with a PC and USB camera. Probably irrelevant of the software used.


Why do you think so?

The first thing that came to my mind when reading about syncing problems was "why wouldn't they just include delay/offset settings for each source input (sound or video) in programs like OBS" so you can compensate, and then I watched the video you posted above and the guy explained exactly that.

I would expect that if you set that right once, it will be fine, but of course i'm not the one with experience here and I wouldn't be surprised if i'm wrong, have you tried this?

I have placed my order on the recording gear so soon I will be able to try.

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In my case, a fixed delay setting did not work always. Windows operating system does a lot of things in the background which might be the cause why I had variable delays. Sometimes audio/video would be in sync say for 5 minutes, then there would be pop/glitch etc., and they would begin to go out of sync again.

But all of this might be related to the model of PC I used back then, or the souncard, drivers etc., but I couldn't fix it permanently and gave up.

Let's see how your setup will do? Maybe you won't have any problems.

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Ok... hmm, yes i can image that could happen, windows is a strange OS.

We'll see! If it won't work properly ill just give in and do it the afterwards syncing way like everyone else. smile

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Well afterwards syncing might have problems too because of audio drift. Which happened to me also and it was hard to fix.

https://youtu.be/lLQOyaYkhkA

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Originally Posted by U3piano
Ok... hmm, yes i can image that could happen, windows is a strange OS.

We'll see! If it won't work properly ill just give in and do it the afterwards syncing way like everyone else. smile

On the syncing of the vid and audio files, I've gotten better at it. Sometimes I hit the nail on the head (as we say here in the south:-) and the syncing is almost perfect, or so close you can't really notice an issue with audio syncing.

Sometimes I have difficulty getting it (audio/video syncing) as close as I'd like, and I just accept close enough... (as in horseshoes and hand-grenades, as we say here in the south:-).

Getting back to what Hakki was saying, I too have noticed that, sometimes, the Shotcut video editing software would show the video (with audio) and audio files synced almost perfectly, but when the finished video file is saved/exported, the audio in the final product is not synced as well as it was in the editing software window. In that case, I will delete the edited video and start all over and redo the entire video/audio editing process from scratch. I have spent an entire day messing around with the video editing process. Good thing I'm retired. smile

On the video/audio syncing, when I start recording, I will clap my hands as loud as I can, at least 3 times. When I start the video editing, with two separate audio files showing, the video (with audio) file and the audio file, I can see both audio soundwave graphs (spectrograms?). The loud clap will show a high peak on the graph, on both soundwave file patterns. I will use the graph peak spikes/points to align the audio files (which appear in a graph, one directly on top of the other), and then mute the audio portion on the original video file, so the audio file is recorded in the video.

The original video file from the camcorder is an MOV file; the original audio file from the ZOOM H4n is a WAV file. The final product is an MP4 video file, with a 2 channel stereo aac audio Codec.

Again, since I'm retired now, and I enjoy making the music videos, I find it fun and entertaining to play around with the video editing process, and then listen to the finished product.

My JVC camcorder is getting some age and wear on it, but still working. My ZOOM H4n stereo recorder is not that old. If my camcorder bites the dust anytime soon, I may purchase the new ZOOM video/audio recorder combo and forget the syncing. But where would be the fun in that? smile

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