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OT (ish) - Saving space on built-in SSD (Windows 10) #2937418 01/23/20 04:39 AM
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I bought a notebook to leave (more or less) permanently on the piano room with Pianoteq. I want to save space on the small SSD (128GB nominal) is has, moving as many files as possible to the HDD.

In the past I did it with my other notebook. For example, replicating the \User structure on the HDD and linking on the SSD so all the files (Download, Documents etc.) is automaticaly placed there.

I do not remember the steps I followed then and I am having some difficulty to find a web page with directions. I will dig deeper later but I would appreciate links or tips from users of this forum as I think some are IT professionals and/or experienced PC users.

Also is it possible to configure where W10 install applications, globally or, if possible, on an individual basis? This way I would install applications that are used not as frequently on the HDD.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: OT (ish) - Saving space on built-in SSD (Windows 10) [Re: EVC2017] #2937434 01/23/20 05:50 AM
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SSD prices have dropped recently. Instead of performing gymnastics to fit things into a 128 GB SSD, why not buy a 512 GB unit? They're well under $100.
I'm thinking of spending the full $100 on a 1 TB unit. They're too cheap to overlook.

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Originally Posted by EVC2017

Also is it possible to configure where W10 install applications, globally or, if possible, on an individual basis? This way I would install applications that are used not as frequently on the HDD.


You can install Windows programs anywhere you like. During installation, you just need to choose the destination drive.

Re: OT (ish) - Saving space on built-in SSD (Windows 10) [Re: EVC2017] #2937467 01/23/20 08:05 AM
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I use an old Intel 520 series with 120GB as my system drive.

a) I install any program that doesn't need to be reinstalled with Windows on a second SSD (over time, you learn which ones)
b) I moved all "my_folders" to a secondary HDD. Rightlick on e.g. "My Videos" -> Properties -> Path -> move (enter new path)

That way, my system SSD is currently around 50% in use.

Or, if you are lazy, do what Mac said. Get a 1 TB drive and forget about optimizing.

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Re: OT (ish) - Saving space on built-in SSD (Windows 10) [Re: MacMacMac] #2937660 01/23/20 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
SSD prices have dropped recently. Instead of performing gymnastics to fit things into a 128 GB SSD, why not buy a 512 GB unit? They're well under $100.
I'm thinking of spending the full $100 on a 1 TB unit. They're too cheap to overlook.


Hi Mac, about SSD prices (or NVMe in this case), thanks for the heads up. It's been a long while since I looked at it and prices are really attactive, even for a 500GB drive.

Problem is replacing the SSD would probably void the warranty, especially because doing it would require to all but completely disassemble the notebook. When warranty expires, I may pursue this path. FWIW this notebook where I am penning these words has a 256-ish GB unit and only 80GB is filled and I have all software I need installed.


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Re: OT (ish) - Saving space on built-in SSD (Windows 10) [Re: Granyala] #2937668 01/23/20 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Granyala
I use an old Intel 520 series with 120GB as my system drive.

a) I install any program that doesn't need to be reinstalled with Windows on a second SSD (over time, you learn which ones)
b) I moved all "my_folders" to a secondary HDD. Rightlick on e.g. "My Videos" -> Properties -> Path -> move (enter new path)

That way, my system SSD is currently around 50% in use.

Or, if you are lazy, do what Mac said. Get a 1 TB drive and forget about optimizing.


Hi, Granyala, thank you for the tips.

The b) is probably what I did years ago when I configured my older notebook. I will experiment with a) but it may not be necessary (see my comment to Mac above).


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Re: OT (ish) - Saving space on built-in SSD (Windows 10) [Re: EVC2017] #2937717 01/23/20 05:17 PM
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I don't think a replacement will void the warranty.
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... replacing the SSD would probably void the warranty
And the warranties are darn near worthless these days. One year max?

Also, I guess they don't make them the way they used to ...
Originally Posted by EVC2017
... doing it would require to all but completely disassemble the notebook.
The last time I did a drive replacement on a laptop it was just ...
(a) remove two or three screws
(b) remove the plastic bit that covers the drive slot
(c) slide out the drive
Replacement was just (c), then (b), then (a).

I guess that's not possible on these new, ultra-thin laptops?
Maybe because they use the M.2 style SSD card?
That would require opening up to replace. But the work is easy.

Re: OT (ish) - Saving space on built-in SSD (Windows 10) [Re: EVC2017] #2937839 01/24/20 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by EVC2017
[quote=Granyala]The b) is probably what I did years ago when I configured my older notebook.

That should be done for backup reasons alone. I hate having data on a system drive, you never know when a OS might decide to go belly-up. *chuckles*


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Re: OT (ish) - Saving space on built-in SSD (Windows 10) [Re: MacMacMac] #2937891 01/24/20 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I guess that's not possible on these new, ultra-thin laptops?
Maybe because they use the M.2 style SSD card?
That would require opening up to replace. But the work is easy.


This new notebook (Dell Inspiron 15 7580 - not ultra thin though) has a flush back cover so opening it will require loosening 9 or 10 screws and removing the cover. Anyway, on the short term I will not install anything that requires a lot of space and quick access (a big sample based piano) so I will leave it alone. But in the not so distant future it is good to know replacing the NVM is (maybe) simple and not expensive upgrade.


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The Dell Inspiron 7580 looks like a nifty computer.

Generally you can remove the bottom case in 2 minutes without warranty issues. You just remove a few screws then use a thin piece of hard plastic to gently unconnect some plastic tabs; see video and manual below. That allows you to upgrade the RAM to 32GB, upgrade the fast nvme drive, add a second SATA drive.

It looks like you have an empty SATA drive port; that second drive will run a bit slower than the nvme SSD. It would accept a typical 2.5" drive, but maybe the height is restricted. Dell can tell you that. 2.5" drives come in two forms: SSD and spinning. The spinning drives are slower, use more battery and are noisy.

It is possible your laptop does not have a SATA drive bay if Dell installed a big battery (the photos below show a 42Wh battery. If Dell installed say a 90Wh battery then there would be no SATA drive slot). Your receipt from Dell (or simple software search) will tell you your battery size).

If you replace the nvme drive, Dell typically uses 1 JIS screw. Not a typical "philips" screw, the JIS has a shallower head and the "phillips" screwdriver might strip it.

So you could replace the nvme drive for fastest speeds. But that requires windows reinstall, etc. If you just purchase a decent 2.5" SATA SSD to store pictures, music, movies etc, that might be easiest (keep windows and programs on the nvme for fastest performance). The QLC drives are very cheap and perform well for regular use.

https://laptopmedia.com/review/dell-inspiron-15-7580-review-simple-yet-powerful/

https://topics-cdn.dell.com/pdf/inspiron-15-7580-laptop_service-manual_en-us.pdf

EDIT - when you reassemble the laptop, don't tighten the screws too much so you don't strip the case. Also, don't use LokTite or similar as it can deteriorate any plastic receivers and might accelerate oxidation of dissimilar metals.

Re: OT (ish) - Saving space on built-in SSD (Windows 10) [Re: EVC2017] #2937975 01/24/20 10:07 AM
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@np: I guess it's not that difficult after all.

Yes, a 2.5" drive won't be as fast as an SSD in an M.2 slot, but still way faster than an HDD.

And thanks for refuting the warranty nonsense.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Yes, a 2.5" drive won't be as fast as an SSD in an M.2 slot, but still way faster than an HDD.

Correct. A nvme SSD drive is blazing fast but a SATA SSD (either in 2.5" or m.2 size) seems just as fast for most consumer tasks. Both the nvme and sata SSDs can be much faster than the old spinning HDDs.

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@np, thank you for the links, service manual already downloaded for future reference.

I did not understand the reference on the SATA port, this one has a 1TB unit installed. The battery is 42Ah per specs.

Per the video it is easier to replace things on it than I thought.

About warranty, you and Mac are probably right. I don't see the need to try Dell on this though. wink

In the short term, I will make the changes Granyalla pointed and just use the notebook with Pianoteq and see how it fares. After it passes the infant mortality phase, I may, at some point consider changing the SSD or even replacing the HDD with a SATA SSD.

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According to your posts, it seems you have a 128GB SSD installed in the m.2 slot and nothing in the 2.5" bay.

These are the internal storage options you have:

m.2 size - that takes the small rectangular drives. Typically these are sold in speedy nvme or slower sata; the ends are keyed differently FYI

2.5" size - that takes the standard 2.5" laptop spinning HDD or SSD. It is SATA (probably SATA 3). You need to check depth as 9.5mm drives might be too thick (in that case use 7mm).

https://www.dell.com/support/manual...24-4137-84bf-aece066a8ae9&lang=en-us

FYI - Dell also sold this computer with a small Intel Optane SSD + 2.5" 1TB HDD. That is not a great configuration IMHO.

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FWIW, I routinely switch out the drive on any computer I buy immediately... Too cheap to buy a computer with a big drive, too storage hungry to use a small drive. Too lazy to install programs/VSTs to a second drive. I like big boot drives. Having had some interactions with Dell's support after everything crashed after a bios update, for me at least, they didn't tell me that I wasn't entitled to support on the basis of having switched out the drive. They did tell me that because there was a problem with the drive (in their opinion), it wasn't their problem. Intel, the drive maker, was nicer, and sent me a new drive. Google was better, and solved my problem (incompatible bios settings after the update.)


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Originally Posted by newer player
According to your posts, it seems you have a 128GB SSD installed in the m.2 slot and nothing in the 2.5" bay.


Well, not really. I thought I implied that with my OP:


Originally Posted by EVC2017
I bought a notebook to leave (more or less) permanently on the piano room with Pianoteq. I want to save space on the small SSD (128GB nominal) is has, moving as many files as possible to the HDD.


The HW properties shows:
ADATA SU810NS38 SATA 128GB link
WDC WD10SPZX-75Z10T3

I see the SSD is SATA, not NVMe. TBH I thought it was NVMe for the form factor or some hint in the specs. There was a time I would dig very dip to look for these informations but with age I became more pragmatic (a.k.a. lazier smile ).

This 7580 was on a very good discount and specs seemed more than adequate for my intended use and price I was willing to pay.


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Originally Posted by Granyala

b) I moved all "my_folders" to a secondary HDD. Rightlick on e.g. "My Videos" -> Properties -> Path -> move (enter new path)


I did it and now all folders (Desktop, Music, Videos etc.) are in the HDD. Once again, thank you for the tip. Easier than I remembered.


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Originally Posted by Melving
FWIW, I routinely switch out the drive on any computer I buy immediately... Too cheap to buy a computer with a big drive, too storage hungry to use a small drive. Too lazy to install programs/VSTs to a second drive.


Hi, Melving, thank you for your comments. I suppose Dell in Brazil would probably do the same and honor the warranty for original items.

OTOH, I am too lazy to changing the HW at this point. That could change should I need to require more space, e.g. by installing one of these huge sampled VSTs (very unlikely right now).


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Originally Posted by EVC2017
Originally Posted by Granyala

b) I moved all "my_folders" to a secondary HDD. Rightlick on e.g. "My Videos" -> Properties -> Path -> move (enter new path)


I did it and now all folders (Desktop, Music, Videos etc.) are in the HDD. Once again, thank you for the tip. Easier than I remembered.


No problem, happy to help.


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All non-operating system files - like pdfs, audio files, etc. - should be on a separate hard drive.


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