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Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? #2935718 01/18/20 12:16 PM
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My 11-year-old is ready to get back into the piano. He performed the Clementi C Major Sonatina Op. 36 No. 3 a couple years ago when he was 9.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSFxp7lKHRs

What's next? What level of typical method books should he be in? Level 5? 6?

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Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: chrisrach3] #2935832 01/18/20 04:55 PM
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He needs a good teacher to guide him onwards. There's still a lot, lot more to learn.


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Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: chrisrach3] #2935848 01/18/20 05:50 PM
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It is impossible to know your sons level a playing from one piece—- it should be an overall evaluation of skill. I am not a teacher, but I do agree with Bennevis that a teacher would be best to evaluate

That being said, the sonatina that he played in recital was quite well done. Level? AMEB rates it as level 4., but that is just one difficulty determination. But again you should not just consider this one single piece of repertoire as the level your son plays. Also take into consideration that it doesn’t seem like he has been playing for the last two years so you should not expect him to immediately jump back in at the same level he was playing.

If he does not have a teacher, consider starting back a little lower than where he ended and see how much he has retained.


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Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: chrisrach3] #2936072 01/19/20 10:53 PM
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Two years without a piano teacher can be a LONG time for kids this young.

Originally Posted by chrisrach3
What's next? What level of typical method books should he be in? Level 5? 6?


First of all, method books imply something much lower, like the first two years of piano lessons. Secondly, it's impossible to gauge how much the kid has retained from previous lessons. An old video does absolutely nothing.


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Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: chrisrach3] #2936206 01/20/20 09:18 AM
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Thanks guys, I see what you're saying about needing more info. I'm his dad and piano teacher, and we're trying to get him away from electronics and focused on piano. smile I'll go off the dogperson recommendation of level 4 and play it by ear from there.

Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: chrisrach3] #2936233 01/20/20 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisrach3
Thanks guys, I see what you're saying about needing more info. I'm his dad and piano teacher, and we're trying to get him away from electronics and focused on piano. smile I'll go off the dogperson recommendation of level 4 and play it by ear from there.


To clarify: I did not actually recommend level 4. I stated you need to look at everything he was playing then in order to get an understanding of a ‘level’. One piece doesn’t do it.

And then probably DECREASE the level as he has not played in two years.
Could you possibly get him a teacher? As a parent, it is really tough to be objective.


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Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: chrisrach3] #2936311 01/20/20 02:50 PM
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I hear ya, thanks again for the feedback.

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I think you did a good job with him. Great to hear he's back at it. That's about RCM level 3.
Go for breadth of music rather than just level.

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Originally Posted by Candywoman
That's about RCM level 3.

No, Op. 36 No. 1 is level 3.


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Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: chrisrach3] #2936625 01/21/20 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisrach3
Thanks guys, I see what you're saying about needing more info. I'm his dad and piano teacher, and we're trying to get him away from electronics and focused on piano. smile I'll go off the dogperson recommendation of level 4 and play it by ear from there.


The red flag for me is that you are his dad and his teacher and that you trying to get him focused on piano. Is he interested at all? Also at age 11 he's probably ready to develop relationships with adults who are not his parents.


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Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: malkin] #2936671 01/21/20 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by malkin
Originally Posted by chrisrach3
Thanks guys, I see what you're saying about needing more info. I'm his dad and piano teacher, and we're trying to get him away from electronics and focused on piano. smile I'll go off the dogperson recommendation of level 4 and play it by ear from there.
The red flag for me is that you are his dad and his teacher and that you trying to get him focused on piano. Is he interested at all? Also at age 11 he's probably ready to develop relationships with adults who are not his parents.

Some people homeschool their children and then music in the form of piano lessons are just considered another academic component, like English, math, social sciences, and art. I'm betting that many of the kids signed up by their parents for online piano lessons, including for stuff like Piano Marvel, are kids being homeschooled. Often such kids get their socialization with other kids through other means. Not sure how homeschooled kids developed relations with other adults though - I didn't solve that one when I was homeschooling my daughter until I hired for her her own teacher.


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Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: chrisrach3] #2936859 01/21/20 06:41 PM
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I'm not saying it could never work for a parent to teach their own kid, just that depending on the relationship and many other factors, it may fail rather spectacularly. Or it may work for a while and then become time for a different arrangement. Like school. Or a private teacher, or anything else for that matter; you just have to pay attention to how it is going. And if it doesn't work, then try something else.


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Originally Posted by malkin
The red flag for me is that you are his dad and his teacher and that you trying to get him focused on piano. Is he interested at all? Also at age 11 he's probably ready to develop relationships with adults who are not his parents.

The red flag for me is that the "teacher" in this case is asking for "what's next." Shouldn't the teacher know what to do?


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The red flag for me is that you are his dad and his teacher and that you trying to get him focused on piano. Is he interested at all? Also at age 11 he's probably ready to develop relationships with adults who are not his parents.

The red flag for me is that the "teacher" in this case is asking for "what's next." Shouldn't the teacher know what to do?


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Re: Clementi C Major Sonatina...what's next? [Re: AZNpiano] #2937527 01/23/20 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AZNpiano
The red flag for me is that the "teacher" in this case is asking for "what's next." Shouldn't the teacher know what to do?

The teacher is his dad, not charging anything for his lessons, and his question is perfectly reasonable. Chrisrach3, I would buy a level 2 or level 3 book with pieces from all era's, and then together with your son discover what kind of music appeals to him most, what he would like to explore more. Or maybe a level 2 or 3 method book.


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PS I would rather start with shorter and easier pieces to get him back to his previous level, than with longer and more difficult pieces. It will probably be frustrating enough to discover initially how little he remembers.


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Originally Posted by Animisha
The teacher is his dad, not charging anything for his lessons, and his question is perfectly reasonable.

What does money have to do with anything?

Are you implying that free lessons can be taught by incompetent individuals, or that the cost justifies the teaching quality?


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It may be that if the student is not interested, any expense is not warranted. Therefore, engaging an incompetent instructor may be the most efficient way for all parties to give up on the entire endeavor.


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And,
does the son want to continue/begin again, piano lessons?


I have homeschooled my own kids and have taught at a homeschool co-op. The parent/child relationship can change depending on the subject.

Some curriculum books have a "pre-test" at the beginning, and a "review" at the end. See what he knows, theory and sight reading wise, to determine more about his level.


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I think you should get him a formal piano teacher if you want him to really learn how to play to a high standard. Though you may be talented at piano, you'll most likely never be able to teach as well as a professional that does it 30-40 hours a week.


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