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Brahms—Four ? Sonatas??? #2935098 01/17/20 12:53 AM
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While listening to Brahms piano Sonata No. 1 played by Peter Cosels, with score , I read in the commentary that Brahms actually wrote four sonatas, and that opus one was actually the fourth sonata . The second sonata was actually the third written sonata . A brief research on the Internet made no reference to a fourth sonata composed by Brahms .

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“Although published as Op. 1, the Sonata No. 1 in C major is actually the fourth piano sonata Brahms is known to have composed; the third was published as Op. 2, and the first two were evidently destroyed (partly because Brahms was called 'The New Mozart' after music critics had heard them”

Does anyone have info about how many sonatas Brahms wrote, and in which order were they published as opus numbers ? A fourth sonata sounds tempting to unearth!

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Re: Brahms—Four ? Sonatas??? [Re: Coda9] #2935109 01/17/20 01:44 AM
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Does this help?

In: MacDonald, Malcolm. Brahms. Oxford University Press 1990, 2001. p. 438

1844: Piano Sonata (possibly in G minor; lost)
1852: Piano Sonata No. 2 in F-sharp minor, Op. 2
1852-53: Piano Sonata No 1 in C major, Op. 1
1853: Piano Sonata No. 3 in F minor, Op. 5

(Note: At least two other Sonatas preceded opp. 1 and 2; the former is designated "Vierte Sonate in the MS)


Is that your "fourth Sonata"?

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Re: Brahms—Four ? Sonatas??? [Re: Coda9] #2935335 01/17/20 01:12 PM
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There is also, according to both Groves and the above-cited MacDonald, a Sonata for Two Pianos in F minor, Op. 34b, Op. 64. (1864)

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Re: Brahms—Four ? Sonatas??? [Re: Coda9] #2935347 01/17/20 01:34 PM
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Wikipedia has a good listing of Brahms' works. There are 11 extant sonatas, 3 piano, 1 for two pianos (an alternate version of the piano quintet), 3 for violin and piano, plus a movement of the FAE sonata, so I did not count that, 2 for cello, and 2 for clarinet or viola.


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It's a well known fact that the first 2 sonatas were published in reverse order because Brahms felt that the C-major sonata would be a better op.1 than the f sharp-minor one. As he wrote numerous works before and destroyed them, no one knows what was written, but his op.34b is also a sonata, but for 2 pianos, even the 2nd movement of the requiem could have been a candidate for a movement in a sonata or even a concerto..


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