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I just bought a CA 98, so I kind of hope there won't be toooo many new changes... although the CA 98 is a great piano I know myself, I would want the newer model if it has an updated speaker system or so :P But in general besides me of course it will be interesting to see what's new. It's interesting that the NV5 hasn't been properly introduced in the U.S. while in Europe people can order it or we haven even seen a post somebody receiving it. BTW as a side note @MACMACMAC: What pair of headphones do you use? Beyer DT 990 ? Thanks and let's see what NAMM will present
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As I heard from dealers a few months ago, the CA99 is coming out in 2020 with a new cabinet design that can be considered an GF2 version of the NV5. The new design is the appearance of upright pianos popular in these two years. The new cabinet will also bring the improvement of sound quality with same soundboard speakers. If the price is reasonable, I think it has certain competitiveness.
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Let's all hope my doom-and-gloom fear of Kawai releasing improvements and updates at NAMM 2020 so radical that buyers of the NV5 will be extremely upset proves false. I believe the piano was offered to the public for sale in August 2019, though, so we won't know until the show commences.
Kawai does have to offer some improvements to its product line, however, but doing so without endangering potential sales of the NV5 might be a little tricky. With a week to go before NAMM, then, I'm going to offer what I think Kawai *could* do, and then what I think the company actually is going to show on release day. My suggestions are probably silly, but now is the time to have fun with this.
What Kawai *could* do...
In order of price, the following would be offered: 1. CA79 -- the most affordable mid-priced model. With the same cabinet design as the CA78, it would offer the GFII touch, 70 voices, slightly improved display, speakers, WiFi and Bluetooth, no soundboard, and be available only in Rosewood, white matte and black matte. No polished ebony.
2. CA89 -- Brand new for 2020. With the same cabinet design as the CA98, it will offer the GFII action, 90 voices, slightly improved display, speakers, WiFi and Bluetooth, the latest improvement in soundboard technology for its size cabinet, improved pedal action, and will be available in polished ebony as well as the aforementioned finishes.
3. CA99 -- As mentioned in a previous post, it will have the same cabinet as the NV5, but use the GFII action. Additionally it will have the latest soundboard for an upright cabinet, all of the features of the CA89, and be available in polished ebony and polished white.
4. Novus NV5 -- the current mid-priced hybrid piano. Kawai's top-of-the-line it its field.
What I think Kawai actually will do...
I think there will be no CA89, but otherwise I now think the improvements and models will be as I stated above. Contrary to my original fear, I now think there will be no radical upgrades that would cause those who have recently purchased the CA98 or NV5 to be upset with their purchase. But time will tell.
It's always fun to make these kinds of predictions, and I have no doubts that others here will do a much better job than I have. By all means, feel free to comment on my thinking, and give all of us your thoughts.
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News from NAMM:
Kawai CA-79:
- NEW: Grand Feel III Wooden Key Action - NEW: LCD Touchscreen with new UI - NEW: "Piano Remote" App for Android and iOS - NEW: Electric Piano, Organ, Cembalo, Strings and Bass - UPDATE: Updated Speaker System with 360° Sound - UPDATE: SK-EX Rendering Engine - UPDATE: Integrated Bluetooth MIDI and Bluetooth Audio with aptX Support - UPDATE: Updated Cabinet Design - Colors: Black, Polished Ebony, White, Rosewood
Price: 3.239 €
Kawai CA-99:
- NEW: Grand Feel III Wooden Key Action - NEW: LCD Touchscreen with new UI - NEW: "Piano Remote" App for Android and iOS - NEW: Electric Piano, Organ, Cembalo, Strings and Bass - NEW: Modern Upright Piano Design - UPDATE: Updated Speaker System with 360° Sound - UPDATE: SK-EX Rendering Engine - UPDATE: Integrated Bluetooth MIDI and Bluetooth Audio with aptX Support - Colors: Black, Polished Ebony, White, Rosewood
Price: 4.189 €
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Sounds really good. While the CA-79 will keep the current design with more or less the same shape, the CA-99 seems to be the replacement for the CS-11. I'm very interested in the GFIII Action and how it feels. Can't wait to read the first reviews.
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NAMM is starting in three days, where did you get this information?
And if you're pricing is true it will be double the price in the USA :S
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I got the information from a german magazine: https://www.bonedo.de/artikel/einzelansicht/namm-2020-kawai-ca79-und-ca99-vorgestellt.htmlTranslated (deepl bc lazy): (14.01.2020) At the Winter NAMM Kawai introduces two new digital pianos, the models CA79 and CA99, which have been improved in details and equipped with new features.
The model CA79 is the successor of the popular CA78 digital piano. Equipped with the new Grand Feel III keyboard, Kawai promises precision and durability in playing. Also the operation has become more intuitive with the new touch screen software. Furthermore, a new communication standard allows the CA79 to be controlled via iOS or supported Android devices. Bluetooth MIDI and Bluetooth Audio as well as a modernized appearance complete the features of the CA79.
Brief overview of the new features and improvements of the model CA79:
NEW: Grand Feel III wood mechanics NEW: LCD Touchscreen with new UI NEW: "Piano Remote" Android/ iOS App (from April 2020) NEW: Electric piano, organ, harpsichord, strings and bass sounds Improved: Speaker system with 360 degree dispersion Improved: SK-EX rendering engine Improved: Integrated Bluetooth MIDI and Bluetooth audio with aptX support Improved: Modern design Execution: Black, black polished, white or rosewood
Price: 3.239 € (RRP)
Availability: February 2020 | The black polished version is available from March 2020
Kawai CA99
The successor of the successful CA98 Premium digital piano offers a number of new features and improvements. For example, the CA79 is equipped with the new Grand Feel III keyboard and a new 360-degree speaker system, which is designed to further improve the sound characteristics. The model also features the new touch screen UI, which makes the instrument even more intuitive to use.
Brief overview of the new features and improvements of the model CA99:
NEW: Grand Feel III wood mechanics NEW: LCD Touchscreen with new UI NEW: "Piano Remote" Android/ iOS App (from April 2020) NEW: Electric piano, organ, harpsichord, strings and bass sounds NEW: Loudspeaker system with 360 degree dispersion NEW: Modern Upright Piano Design Improved: SK-EX rendering engine Improved: Integrated Bluetooth MIDI and Bluetooth audio with aptX support Execution: Black, black polished, white or rosewood
Price: 4.189 € (RRP)
Availability: February 2020 | The black polished version is available from March 2020
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Laber, ich vermisse Deutschland so sehr seitdem ich in die USA gezogen bin Thanks for the update!
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The magazine forgot this part of the memo (they got the 'news' from an internal dealer memo rather than a press statement), which they added in bold, red letters.
Wichtig: Aufgrund globaler Vereinbarungen zum Erscheinungstermin, möchten wir Sie dringend bitten keinerlei Informationen zu diesen Produkten vor dem 16. Januar 2020 zu veröffentlichen!
Or in English: "Important: Due to global agreements on the release date, we would like to urgently ask you not to publish any information on these products before January 16, 2020!"
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haha it's always like this, if you don't want any news to be known before a certain date... you should keep it completely to yourself, even from your wife :P or like the Germans would say: Ein Satz mit X, das war wohl nix Anyways, super excited to see how the GF III feels. I actually just purchased a CA 98 but hopefully in 5 years or so I can upgrade to a 99 polished ebony
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haha it's always like this, if you don't want any news to be known before a certain date... you should keep it completely to yourself, even from your wife :P or like the Germans would say: Ein Satz mit X, das war wohl nix Anyways, super excited to see how the GF III feels. I actually just purchased a CA 98 but hopefully in 5 years or so I can upgrade to a 99 polished ebony Oh sure, and ultimately it doesn't matter too much. Just a bit sleezy from that magazine. I myself had put down E1000 on a CA78 but cancelled it in favor of the CA79 (rosewood) a little after I started this topic. Anyway, very excited myself obviously as well! I very much like they removed the 'concert artist' print on the sheet holder, I felt a bit uncomfortable with it myself. For the rest mostly seems like the cover is now matching in color and the rear-speaker is now raised a bit. Can't wait to try the GF-III, but honestly as long as it isn't worse than the GF-II I am happy as a lark. :P Interested in the new UI and resonance modeling too, curious if the screen now actually turns really off when you set it as such or if the backlight is still on.
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Whoopsie. That was not intended. I didn't know the information is internal only
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Whoopsie. That was not intended. I didn't know the information is internal only Haha, not your fault, but they literally copied the memo verbatim and removed the single line telling them not to share it.
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NAMM is starting in three days, where did you get this information?
And if you're pricing is true it will be double the price in the USA :S They priced both models out of the mainstream market. The CA99 is as expensive as a K200. I doubt that many dealers will carry it.
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It's perhaps noting that when the NV10 was initially exhibited at NAMM a couple of years ago, there were reports that the instrument would retail for $20,000...
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NAMM is starting in three days, where did you get this information?
And if you're pricing is true it will be double the price in the USA :S They priced both models out of the mainstream market. The CA99 is as expensive as a K200. I doubt that many dealers will carry it. Local dealers told me the price of the ca79 will be pretty much like the CA78, the 99 a bit more expensive than the 98. Could be different in your neck of the wood though!
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NAMM is starting in three days, where did you get this information?
And if you're pricing is true it will be double the price in the USA :S They priced both models out of the mainstream market. The CA99 is as expensive as a K200. I doubt that many dealers will carry it. Local dealers told me the price of the ca79 will be pretty much like the CA78, the 99 a bit more expensive than the 98. Could be different in your neck of the wood though! Acoustic uprights start selling from € 3.000 up and "buy this maintenance-free digital instead" isn't something you gonna hear from traditional piano dealer. That's why I was doubting the CA99 (!) is going to make into many showrooms. Also it's competing against the Yamaha NU1X hybrid digital piano.
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NAMM is starting in three days, where did you get this information?
And if you're pricing is true it will be double the price in the USA :S They priced both models out of the mainstream market. The CA99 is as expensive as a K200. I doubt that many dealers will carry it. Local dealers told me the price of the ca79 will be pretty much like the CA78, the 99 a bit more expensive than the 98. Could be different in your neck of the wood though! Acoustic uprights start selling from € 3.000 up and "buy this maintenance-free digital instead" isn't something you gonna hear from traditional piano dealer. That's why I was doubting the CA99 (!) is going to make into many showrooms. Also it's competing against the Yamaha NU1X hybrid digital piano. I find the concept that a digital's primary advantage is not needing maintenance a bit... dated. If people want a digital they can pick one between $300 and $15000, and everyone can decide for themselves. If the CA99 didn't come pre-assembled I might have considered it. An acoustic upright is of zero interest to me personally. To each his own!
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I also hope, that manufactures will stop calling hybrid full digitals, as CA, CS, AvantGrand, Casio GP etc. There are very few hybrids on the market, and the only known to me are Kawai Aures and Yamaha Transcoustic. Surely, you can add digital parts to many pianos, but silent option is not fully hybrid like those two. Unfortunately manufacturers want us to pay a lot of premium price for the digital part here
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The CA99 is as expensive as a K200. I doubt that many dealers will carry it. Not really. The K200's street price (at Thomann, for Germany) is currently at 4390€. So already that is 200€ above the 4189€ quoted by Tyr. But those prices can't be compared anyway, because the former is the street price, while the latter is the MSRP. But if we compare MSRP's, the K200's is 5340€ (according to Thomann), i.e. 1200€ higher than the CA99's.
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