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Re: Can you give some examples of pieces for sostenuto pedal? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2931121 01/07/20 02:08 AM
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Friedrich Gulda composed "Play piano play", 10 jazz-like sounding short pieces. #4 and #8 use the sostenuto pedal. In both cases a low note that vibrates while other harmonically fitting notes are played.


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Re: Can you give some examples of pieces for sostenuto pedal? [Re: PianogrlNW] #2931224 01/07/20 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PianogrlNW
I have the Schirmer edition of the Liszt 3rd Consolation and there is no indication in the score to use the S pedal. PL, the bass Db needs to sustain over 8 Lento bars of music. If you do not use the S pedal, how do you sustain that note? That is why I suggested replaying the Db. My score indicates that as an option.
You can't sustain the D flat unless you replay it or use the sostenuto pedal. But that still doesn't answer the question about what Liszt intended when he wrote it. His piano didn't have a sostenuto pedal and he didn't suggest repeating the D flats.

Maybe it's possible that this case is similar to the first movement of the Moonlight Sonata in the sense that on Liszt's piano around 1850 the sustain was poor and the dampers not so good so it was possible to keep that damper pedal down during the measures where the D flat is sustained without overly blurring the harmony.

I think the same puzzle appears in Debussy's Sunken Cathedral as I believe his piano had no sostenuto either and the SP was not common in Europe early in the 20th century. Yet he wrote measures that don't seem possible on today's pianos without using the sostenuto.

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Re: Can you give some examples of pieces for sostenuto pedal? [Re: PianoStartsAt33] #2931230 01/07/20 11:43 AM
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I have the Wiener Urtext edition of the Consolations. In it, are interpretation notes by Lina Ramann taken from her book, Liszt-P├Ądagogium (1901). Ramann was a contemporary and associate of Liszt's. One of the editors of this Wiener Urtext edition, Christian Ubber, states, "Her extremely detailed explanations may be considered authentic and therefore a particularly valuable source, because, while preparing her Liszt biography from 1873 onwards, she maintained close contact with Liszt and worked up her own recollections of Liszt's piano lessons as well as other pupils' accounts in the the Liszt-P├Ądagogium."

For m.4 of Consolation No. 3 (p. XII), Ramann wrote:
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The fundamental D flat is to be repeated 'softly bar by bar', in order to re-establish the continuation of its sound, which was interrupted by the release of the pedal.


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Re: Can you give some examples of pieces for sostenuto pedal? [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2931300 01/07/20 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
For m.4 of Consolation No. 3 (p. XII), Ramann wrote:
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The fundamental D flat is to be repeated 'softly bar by bar', in order to re-establish the continuation of its sound, which was interrupted by the release of the pedal.
If that's really what Liszt wanted, it's surprising that he just didn't write it that way.

Re: Can you give some examples of pieces for sostenuto pedal? [Re: pianoloverus] #2931315 01/07/20 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
If that's really what Liszt wanted, it's surprising that he just didn't write it that way.

Well, in M3-5, for instance, it (the Db) is tied, so if you're releasing the pedal with the chord change in each measure, how else would you the Db continue to sound? I haven't tried it with the sostenuto pedal, but this might just be a great solution.


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