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Learning Jazz, speed issue #2922937 12/14/19 06:05 PM
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Hi all,

I am a reformed returning adult starting to learn Jazz (Started about 8 weeks ago) using a variety of sources but at this time I don't have and it isn't' possible for me to have a teacher. My primary source now is pinaowithjonny.com. Here is my dilemma, as I go through the fundamentals I am learning the concepts but cannot get the piece used to demonstrate the concept up to speed. An example is the monthly challenges he has that teache a technique. Last month it was a short version of Jingle Bells and how to arrange it in a swing style. I have the concepts down and can play the piece at 80 BPM but it is going to take awhile to get it to over 100. (The left hand stride pattern is fine hands separate but hands together...) I am also working on this months challenge lesson learning walking bass lines along with his lower level course in walking bass lines. Here again I get the concepts and can play it but at a slow speed. The question is do I keep at these pieces until I get them up to speed or move on to the next learning topic?

FYI my practice plan is to work on the fundamentals, getting all of the major scales up to 100 BPM, work on randomly jumping to the 7 chords for each major key, (Both are to increase my speed / agility), doing one of the skills learning tracks and one or more pieces from pianowithjonny.com and "The Real Book" to try to apply what I am learning. I generally get in 1-2 hours a day broken up into 30 minute chunks.

Part of me wants to stay with a piece until I get it up to speed but another part says I still have so much to learn I should move on to the next topic. Then the third voice comes in and says that I really need to master these left hand skills because they can be used in many ways playing Jazz Standards.

Any thoughts or recommendations would be appreciated. (And yes, I am coming off of a frustrating practice where it seems I have stalled at a set speed.)

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Learning Jazz, speed issue [Re: Peddler100] #2922951 12/14/19 06:40 PM
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Peddler100, Teachers have told me to move on. Your speed will increase as time goes by. And if it doesn’t? Play it at 80 bpm. Make it sound good. wink.


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Re: Learning Jazz, speed issue [Re: Peddler100] #2923027 12/15/19 03:49 AM
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Hi

I agree with Tom, move on.
If you don't you might start finding the practise sessions a chore.
Once that happens and the fun goes out, its a slippery slope.....

Playing music should be fun, and you need to keep it that way.

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Re: Learning Jazz, speed issue [Re: Peddler100] #2923148 12/15/19 01:13 PM
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Does Jonny offer any help? Online lessons can be very effective for many reasons but they should always provide some sort of support from the teacher.


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Re: Learning Jazz, speed issue [Re: JazzPianoOnline] #2923159 12/15/19 01:47 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions. Jonny does provide a way to ask questions via the sites forums and you can post a video to get feedback. There are also monthly interactive live sessions. Those were going to be my next stop.

Thanks again.

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Re: Learning Jazz, speed issue [Re: Peddler100] #2926433 12/24/19 01:08 PM
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Although I haven't purchased his lessons, I have purchased some of his music. Many pieces I cannot play as fast as him, and that's fine. Sometimes I think they sound better a bit slower. People with really good chops sometimes play too fast, IMHO. Anyway, my solution is to buy easier music, though for the lessons that may not be an option. As others have said, just move on. Maybe you will eventually play it faster, maybe you won't. There is no perfect speed. As long as it feels right to you and listeners, it's good.

Re: Learning Jazz, speed issue [Re: Peddler100] #2926729 12/25/19 12:33 PM
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Maybe do a some of each kind of practicing you mentioned? But you can't necessarily increase speed just by practicing a piece over and over. You have to have an understanding of how to solve the technical difficulties, and that's where a good teacher can help.

Re: Learning Jazz, speed issue [Re: Peddler100] #2929488 01/02/20 04:59 PM
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My teacher has told me that slower and more accurate is better than fast and sloppy. There's stuff I've been working on for a long time, put down, revisit and learn something new about it. She's okay with staying on something a long time if I'm getting something useful out of it.

I also continue to practice things I'm 99% complete on, but there comes a point when I don't play it for her anymore.

At my last lesson, she said I should practice everything 25-30% slower than I'm playing it now, as it's actually harder to do. This applies to both the classical and jazz rep.

I'm also at a point in my life whereI know I'm not going to become a virtuoso, so I'm focused on continual improvement and not beating myself up because I don't have lightning fingers.


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