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Originally Posted by Rickster
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Brian, I hope the vitamin B12 supplement will help solve the issues you are having. ======SNIP====

Hmmm. This might be of interest: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11558625
From what I read, they used "Tricortin 1000", an injectable form of B12.
More on that here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31368292


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Brian,

I am very happy to hear that you are familiar with Dr. Sarno's methodology. My wife and I have benefited immensely from following his guidelines and thinking. I have found it beneficial to re-read the information fairly regularly. "The Divided Mind" also contains several other doctor's viewpoints and explanations which I found additionally helpful.

I recently watched this video which in some respects explains things even better than Sarno did. Unfortunately he does not credit Dr. Sarno in any way for his research, but nonetheless is quite good. I would suggest a watch.

https://youtu.be/0VyH1laOd2M

Additionally, Sally Pacholok (sp?) wrote the book "Could it be B-12?" exposing the wide ranging effects of b12 deficiency and the tendency for many docs to play it down in favor of more complicated (and expensive) treatments. She emphasizes the need to have the urine MMA test in addition to the standard blood test since it shows how the body assimilates (or does not) the b12. It would be fantastic if your issue can be solved with b12 correction.

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Brian, I lost track of the longer post I was writing, so I'm going to say it the easy way. Surgery: definitely get a second opinion before the procedure. I mean in the future, of course. If you're having pain when you play: stop (I don't mean a slight discomfort from playing vigorously, actual pain). For a person who started just two years ago: you are playing way too much, or way too much a certain way that your body isn't liking.

If your teacher allowed this, take a lesson; your paths have diverged. Now you'll be working with a teacher who knows about how to treat piano students with injuries, possibly working as a team with an orthopedic specialist or surgeon. Many doctors are musicians; I had one who recited the Circle of Fifths or Fourths while he was treating some problem I had. (I have forgotten the ailment and remembered the music lesson part, some of these doctors are very wily.)

I am very sorry such an enthusiastic student has run into these troubles, but I feel optimistic that you are going to find the help you need to feel better, and play more safely.


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I agree with your late wife's grandmother ,new handbag + new hair style = a new outlook on life !!!

Actually for a while I just carried the handbag ,but then would find that I was forgetting it in different places. (you can't teach an old dog new tricks ??? ) After a few months of wearing a satchel bag ,
I ended up using a sling bag from the shoulder again ??? So the main idea is to keep it light !
If however I do develope any problem, I will now know that it is not a "frozen shoulder "
Sometimes we give doctors too much control over our lives and we can suffer the consequences.
I actually suffered for months with pain but I never realised it was a combination of muscular
stress and a belief that I had a chronic condition ?
Perhaps the person who first gave me the idea that the condition could be cured was my physiotherapist.I should have gone to him first .
I hope this all helps the OP in some way !

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I hope, Brian, you find some relief to your pain in the New Year. Chronic pain really takes the joy and fun out of our days. I have peripheral neuropathy issues and it’s a daily struggle, but at least I know the cause and what things help and what things don’t. Best wishes!


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Originally Posted by j&j
I hope, Brian, you find some relief to your pain in the New Year. Chronic pain really takes the joy and fun out of our days. I have peripheral neuropathy issues and it’s a daily struggle, but at least I know the cause and what things help and what things don’t. Best wishes!

Yes Brian,
Same here. Perhaps these b12 injections may be the answer. I hope that 2020 will be a year of healing !

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I hope, Brian, you find some relief to your pain in the New Year. Chronic pain really takes the joy and fun out of our days. I have peripheral neuropathy issues and it’s a daily struggle, but at least I know the cause and what things help and what things don’t. Best wishes!

Yes Brian,
Same here. Perhaps these b12 supplements will be the answer. I hope that 2020 will be a year of healing !

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I hope I'm not being repetitive. If the change in technique or the time off doesn't change the pain/sensations, it's probably not the playing. If it hurts WHEN or AFTER you play, don't play. If it hurts anyway no matter what you do or don't do, you might allow yourself the enjoyment of playing. Listen to your body and your doctor.

I play 3 instruments actively and enjoy competitive table tennis. I'm 62 and have issues like yours. I suspect disc issues but they're not debilitating and I won't let them cut me until they are. My table tennis coach is 59 and his 40 years of competition and coaching has taken its toll. We frequently comment to each other, "If I waited until nothing hurt to play, I would never get to play." It becomes a job of pain management. My knee tells me that 3 days in a row of TT is too much and the basal joint arthritis in my thumb tells me that I can't practice recorder AND classical guitar in the same day. In that case, if I really feel like doing something musical, I do ear/voice training one handed at the piano.

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Do not laugh, but what actually cured it was buying a new handbag and a new pillow !

Glad the new handbag and pillow helped, Lady Bird. My late wife's grandmother always used to say that a new handbag and a new hair-do would give a woman a new outlook on life. smile

Originally Posted by Brian Sweeney
Thank you, I read his book "Healing Back Pain" years ago and attended his lectures at NYU Hospital. He helped me tremendously. He was a great man indeed. It's beginning to look like a vitamin B12 deficiency.


Brian, I hope the vitamin B12 supplement will help solve the issues you are having.

A few years ago, I was waking up in the morning and my little finger, and ring finger on my left hand were numb feeling. It would get better on in the day, but it worried me and I scheduled an appointment with an orthopedic doctor. I also did some research online, and learned that it could be irritation of the ulnar nerve that comes down from the shoulder to the hand.

The Dr. x rayed my left shoulder and elbow and said everything look okay, and I was irritating the ulnar nerve in my elbow by sleeping with my arms folded. He said I needed to try and sleep with my arms straight, and there was a special brace I could wear if needed, to keep my arm straight when I slept. He also said if the problem persists, he could do surgery and move the ulnar nerve to another location at my elbow. That was NOT something I was interested in.

So, I've learned to keep my arms as straight as possible when I sleep at night. I still get the symptoms if I bend my arm at night while I sleep, but the symptoms are not as bad as they were previously. I guess when we get older, we have ailments we have to deal with.

I have never noticed any pain or discomfort whatsoever while playing the piano, ever. So, I guess my technique, although probably not proper, is not harmful either.

All the best!

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Thanks Rick, I have the braces but they're impossible to sleep in. I'll give them another try. B

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