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Roland FP10 as MIDI controller questions
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Greeting! Please help me with some questions before purchasing. Let's get to the points:

(The app "Piano Partner 2" is hereby disregarded in the context of this thread, let's not discuss it.)

1. Can the FP10 be used as a MIDI controller?
2. Provided that I have a DAW software (Ableton, Pianoteq, Pro Tools, whatever...), an USB-type-B-to-A cable and the FP10 itself, can I record MIDI files onto my computer?
3. Can the same thing in (2.) be done with the built-in Bluetooth connection as well (i.e. without the physical cable)?
4. If MIDI files can be recorded, will they be in real time, accurate (phrasings, dynamics, pedal, lengths, all musical expressions)?
5. Is any driver needed on the computer for it to recognize the FP10 when plugged in (or Bluetooth-ed in)? Or does the computer straight-up recognize the piano?
6. Could you please upload a sample MIDI file recorded from your own Roland FP10 for me? If you have the time and do that, I'd very grateful. I really want to know how expressive the original out-of-the-box MIDI is.

Please help me with this, especially FP10 owners.
Thanks in advance!

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1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes, except the pedal position isn't a fully continuous measurement (Were there like 3 steps in total: off, half, full? We've talked about it here.)
5. No drivers needed unless a separate Bluetooth dongle on your PC requires its own drivers.
6. No, I can't. But the FP-10 is just as expressive (MIDI wise) as any other digital piano apart from maybe the sustain pedal. And "high resolution MIDI" does exist, but probably the regular resolution of 0...127 is enough for you.

(I don't have an FP-10, but at least this gets the discussion started.)

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If you have an audio in socket you'll be able to play the MIDI piano through the piano speakers.


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You might find this useful.

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FP-10's sustain pedal (mis)behaviour: Roland DP10 pedal - is it actually 'continuous'?

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4. If MIDI files can be recorded, will they be in real time, accurate (phrasings, dynamics, pedal, lengths, all musical expressions)?


This question is more subtle than it appears to be.

If you re-phrase it to:

. . . "If I record a MIDI file from the FP10, and play it back through the FP10, will it sound exactly the same as when I played it live?"

the answer is:

. . . "Yes."

That's because the _internal link_, in the FP10, between the keyboard and the sound generator, uses MIDI data from the keyboard, to drive the sound generator. (with the proviso, noted above, about possible "half-pedal" inconsistencies). So the sound generator doesn't understand anything _beyond_ MIDI messages.

That link carries note-on (with "velocity"), note-off (maybe with "velocity") "pedal position", and not much else.

I don't think MIDI has any way to express "phrasing". A "legato" musical line (say, C D E) is implied, when the "Note On" message for the "D" happens before the "Note Off" message for the C. And so on.

"Musical expression" -- say, "crescendo" -- is only _implied_, when there's a sequence of notes with increasing velocity.

(This is my understanding; I will accept correction.)


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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen

That's because the _internal link_, in the FP10, between the keyboard and the sound generator, uses MIDI data from the keyboard, to drive the sound generator. (with the proviso, noted above, about possible "half-pedal" inconsistencies). So the sound generator doesn't understand anything _beyond_ MIDI messages.


Do you have a source for this? I ask because this is a frequently-arising question and I've never seen reference to an internal sound generator that explicitly say it is or isn't MIDI-driven. I think the common belief is that internal sounds are not MIDI for most DPs and there is a MIDI converter in the loop somewhere. But that could be wrong as well.


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@Gombessa: I've often wondered about that, too.

My guess has always been that the keyboard does not feed MIDI to the internal sound generator. I don't see a need. But ... who knows? Nobody has presented any evidence one way or the other.

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Thanks for information from all of you!

Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed in the FP10 now, the pedal being not continuous is...disconcerting. I will have to add Kawai ES110 and FP30 to the consideration list now.


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Originally Posted by Charles Cohen
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4. If MIDI files can be recorded, will they be in real time, accurate (phrasings, dynamics, pedal, lengths, all musical expressions)?


This question is more subtle than it appears to be.

If you re-phrase it to:

. . . "If I record a MIDI file from the FP10, and play it back through the FP10, will it sound exactly the same as when I played it live?"

the answer is:

. . . "Yes."


Wow! I felt I really need to personally thank you once again, that's a wonderful reply about how "musical expressions" are translated into MIDI data. The way you re-phrased it is perfect, I should've put it that way in the first place. Put me at much more ease deciding to choose a digital piano now.

P/S: I did not mean to spam post count, but it seemed I could not edit my above post to merge this post into it. So I guess this will do then.

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