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http://www.forumklassika.ru/showthread.php?t=63425&page=290 We hear negative comments from some people who are disdainful writing use a cardboard about. A young lady found the announcement of the sale of the Blunner piano. She asked for advice from the technicians of a forum "Classics". The photo can not clarify the technical characteristics of the state of the pins and their friction, I believe.
" Let’s God judges them because they don't know what they are doing"
Liisa76 Newbie 03/14/2012 Good evening! If there yours a minute, please see the announcement (selling the Blütner piano about) there are 4 photos. https://www.avito.ru/moskva/muzykalnye_instrumenty/pianino_bluthner_1218575695 Is it reasonable to consider it's for purchase good? Maybe there are some features of the model / brand / design / time period, which is clear to professionals immediately - "do not take it's!". I would be very grateful for yuors preliminary opinion. I want to understand whether it is worth inviting the master to inspect this upright piano. Elizabeth vladimir33 Newbie It seems that a pinblock wasit is stuffed ed corrugated cardboard on the advice of "folk craftsmen." This can lead to the need (I would say that most likely, this need has already come) to replace a pinblock so that a piano becomes good instrument
ALEXY Moderator Veneer or cardboard is visible in individual pins only. But this is not proof that you need to change a pinblock . A pin most likely original. Because it may well be just a replacement of old pins.
Victor used corrugated cardboard fix to tighten tuning pins for his home upright piano He wrote: Victor Dyachenko Unfortunately I'm not a professional tuner. Just for lack of finance, I myself need tuning home upright piano my daughter's . I myself am the engineer of the steelmaking technologist here and I want to learn the basics of tuning upright. I using a computer program for tuning. Today I did it's the second time. The first was more successful. Today drew attention to loose pins that were quickly upset after the first tuning. It's C #2 and E2 Thank you very much for your advice with corrugated cardboard. https://youtu.be/hC4igLgzdLg
Gevşeyen akort vidası (burgusu) için mukavva dolgusu çözümü: Bu yöntem, gevşeyen vidayı sabitlemek için uygun maliyetli bir çözüm yöntemidir. Yöntemle herhangi bir nedenle meydana gelen gevşek ayar vidalarının sebep olduğu bitişik tellerin detonasyonu önlenir.
İlk olarak, akort vidasını tel sarmallarını gevşetmek için yeterince çevirin. Ardından, dar (ama güçlü) bir tornavida veya bir tığ kullanarak teli akort piminin deliğinden çıkarın. Teli vida deliğinden tamamen çıkarın.
Tel ve sarmalları bırakıp ayarlama vidasını tamamen sökün. Herhangi bir oluklu mukavvadan yaklaşık 2mm veya 3mm kalınlığında, 20mm x 50mm'lik bir parça kesin. Kestiğiniz karton şeridi, akort vidası yuvasına yerleştirin (kartonu akort vidasının yuvasına yerleştirmeyi kolaylaştırmak için karton parçasını tornavida milinde şekillendirmek yararlı olabilir). Akort vidasını mukavva parçası yerinde duracak şekilde sıkıca deliğe sokun. Akort vidasını yavaşça çevirerek (ısınmayı önlemek için) dikkatlice döndürün. Vidayı daha öncekiyle aynı seviyeye getirin.
Uygun bir pense kullanarak telin ucunu akort vidası deliğine dikkatlice geri sokun. Tel sarmallarının bir telli kanca veya tornavida ile sıkı tutulduğundan emin olun.
Teli akort edin. Mukavva dolgu yöntemi, vidayı yıllarca sıkı tutacak tutkal içermeyen bir yöntemdir.
"Some pianos have tighter pin blocks than others. My beautiful sounding, fast 1982 Sohmer 39, alas need touching up the treble tune about every month. It has a 5 ply pin block. It is not any particular pin, it is them all. OTOH, my very similar sounding 1940 Steinway 40, with the solid pin block holds tune about 18 months. Go figure. Yes, if it is always the same note that needs tuning, then it would be productive to put adhesive, a cardboard shim, or a bigger pin in that hole. Most piano "tuners" are not really repairmen and at least in my area, would never attempt that job. "
LEONARDO XAVIER wrote: "Já vi de tudo em piano,mais calçar uma cravelha com lixa e demais.Vai aprender primeiro a trabalhar com piano antes de postar umas porcaria como essa. Se não sabe como fazer o certo ,não faz o errado." I've seen everything on the piano, plus put into a pin in the sand and so on. I'll learn first how to work with the piano before posting crap like that. If you do not know how to do it right, do not do it wrong.
It seems to me that Mr. Leonardo Xavier is somewhat categorical in his assessments and advice. Is not it?
An angry curse was placed under the video from a certain Mr. Vitaly Yaroslavsky:
"You is a Child. I work 47 years in this profession. I return pianos from old life to new everything and I knew all sorts of pseudo masters but such an Individual like you for the first time .. Take you a 100-80 sand paper on fabric base. Cut a strip and set it's into a hole of a pinblock. Hammering a pin use a hammer now. We are piano tecnicians masters always working indeed so. Put your T-bar in yours ass ... "
8. The last time my piano was tuned I was told that the tuning pins are loose. Is there anything that can be done for my piano?
There are several ways to tighten the tuning pins on your piano.
1. The process of "gluing" the pins is the one I recommend. This process involves laying the vertical piano on its back (similar procedure for a grand only they are already laying flat) and applying very thin but also very potent CA glue on every tuning pin and let the very thin glue be gravity fed down the pins length where it hardens and causes the wood to swell around the pin. This is the cheapest way to correct the issue of loose tuning pins of which I charge $175 which “includes†a tuning. Please note that by performing this procedure on your piano this means the tuning pins will have good resistance for the next 5 to 6 years. The piano should hold its tune for at least 12 months now as opposed to tuning it every 3-4 months without this procedure. 2. Also and more commonly although not nearly as productive I will glue them one at a time or in other words “as I find they need it†with the piano in upright position since pianos are so heavy. This procedure is adequate although not as good as number 1 above. 3. There is another way to tighten the pins. When the piano is restrung and new pins are installed whereby the technician will replace the pins with a larger diameter pin. 4. Another approach for the loose tuning pins is to replace them individually with a slightly larger diameter tuning pin. 5. Also the loose pin(s) can be taken out and the hole lined with a 50mm cardboard and the tuning pin then screwed in with the cardboard acting as a gap filler hence causing resistance. https://www.pianotuningfredericton.com/often-asked-questions I have doubts that a 50mm cardboard pwm will good fully fit into a pinblock hole. Perhaps the author of the blog from Minto meant "length of a strip of cardboard"
A tuner from Yekaterinburg Kostya who shot this clip recently wrote the following words: "I think Maxim is a very bold man that went against the system, years later I found his method is very correct, this method is not the most traumatic for a pinblock, Max, I press of your paw!"
Yesterday I received an email from a cimbalom player who wanted help to fix a few loose tuning pins. Although I am not familiar with cimbalom I suggested that he could try either 1) Cutting a piece of rough cardboard to use as a shim, rolling it up, putting it in the pin hole and reinserting the pin. Or 2) removing the pins and squirting superglue into the hole and reinserting the pin before the glue dries. He tried option 1 with the cardboard shim and said it worked and thanked me for the assistance.
Yesterday I received an email from a cimbalom player who wanted help to fix a few loose tuning pins. Although I am not familiar with cimbalom I suggested that he could try either 1) Cutting a piece of rough cardboard to use as a shim, rolling it up, putting it in the pin hole and reinserting the pin. Or 2) removing the pins and squirting superglue into the hole and reinserting the pin before the glue dries. He tried option 1 with the cardboard shim and said it worked and thanked me for the assistance.
My dear, Chris your message has become a good sign for me on Christmas! I was very happy for the unknown a cimbalom player who was able to fix the lost pins using rough cardboard here. He choice option 1 (Cutting a piece of rough cardboard to use as a shim, rolling it up, putting it in the pin hole and reinserting the pin.) I am also not familiar with the device of this mechanism, however, I dare to assume that this was done correctly and this will contribute to hardness of a cimbalom pin. It’s painless for a cimbalom's pinblock, I guess. A pressure of the pin a cimbalom pinblock is less than a pressure piano's pinblock. By the way, in 2014, one young man from Ukraine, (the city of Sumy) wrote to me also about fixed his lose pin of a cimbalom . He used laminat plates glued from ordinary reeds. He said it works as well. Reeds and cardboard are similar materials, I suppose. I am overwhelmed with a sense of joy that people of good will are able to help for free using communication on the Internet. Thank you Dear Loren D for his topic here: "Ok, so I've been thinking about Max's cardboard fix" I have a request, if possible, to convey to cimbalom player my sincere admiration for his correction of the pins. Once again I express my gratitude to you, Chris. I wish good talant job of tuner in New 2020 YEAR! Merry Christmas! Sincerely, Your Max is from faraway Kazakhstan
Hey Max, looks like Putin needs a fulltime tech to cardboard shim his pianos before performance. last tuner received some punishment for this disaster, so be careful.
Hey Max, looks like Putin needs a fulltime tech to cardboard shim his pianos before performance. last tuner received some punishment for this disaster, so be careful.
Thanks for your admonition, TimM_980 A tuner no received some punishment for it's. He no knew that it's grand need good tuning now. It's chine grand piano. Before Putin's performance nobody chine technicians was serviced piano here, I'm think We careful always even if it's no grand piano Putin. I seldom set cardboard shim into grand piano. 1-2 shim in middle region of a grand. Putin played the piano while waiting to meet Xi Jinping. The Russian President was taking part in the ‘One Belt, One Road’ forum.
I think using the cardboard to repair the tuning pin is a good approach. But it depends on piano and how much is paid for the reparation. In few word the process chosen depends exclusively on the kind of client.
1970s' Petrof 125 youtube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY5TdJHAB6HAYYgdgQliww recent added:Rachmaninoff Paganini variation 18 first day practice
I think using the cardboard to repair the tuning pin is a good approach. But it depends on piano and how much is paid for the reparation. In few word the process chosen depends exclusively on the kind of client.
hi,zonzi Thank you for your feedback on the use of the cardboard for lost tuning pin. I'm agree with you, that main thing is a conscious choice of a client here. "the client is always right." From myself, I can add that this practice is the least painful for a condition old pinblock. Best regards, Max.
They sound great. Just one suggestion, please try to put some prints/paints on the cardboard and put it inside a nice package. the clients and other technicians will feel much more comfortable. Anyway the old Soviet is amazing, they have sent at least 2 grand Petrof in the most remote place in the USSR. Your place has so many very technical pianists, that’s really great.
1970s' Petrof 125 youtube:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrY5TdJHAB6HAYYgdgQliww recent added:Rachmaninoff Paganini variation 18 first day practice
They sound great. Just one suggestion, please try to put some prints/paints on the cardboard and put it inside a nice package. the clients and other technicians will feel much more comfortable.
I will definitely use your advice. kidding))). Seriously speaking, cardboard is OUR savior, even without labels. I installed a couple of cardboard shims there. It still works!