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I am thinking about signing up as there is about to be a deal on the membership but just wondering what your thoughts are.

Worth trying?

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I don't know of this site but it is a slick site that looks great.


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I am currently a few weeks into a 3 month membership and so far I like his approach. I tried Open Studio for a month but their style didn't work for me. The cyber Monday deal looks pretty good.


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I love Johnny's piano arrangements and have purchased several sheets that I spend much time working on. He is a great pianist and by far my favorite arranger. However, I signed up for lessons for a few months then stopped. I find his videos to be way too slow. He spends too much time playing things slowly and repetitively. If he'd simply play the end result first, provide a link to the sheet music, and spend 10 min. explaining the theory behind each lesson, that would be ideal. As it is, the pace of the videos doesn't work for me. For viewers who don't read sheet music, this may appeal to them. Perhaps he needs another set of lessons geared toward people who already know how to read and play, but just need to add licks and theory to their toolbox.


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Originally Posted by philipraposo1982
I am thinking about signing up as there is about to be a deal on the membership but just wondering what your thoughts are.

Worth trying?

What’s the old saying, “those who can’t do; teach.” (Woody Allen added, “and those who can’t teach; teach gym.”)

I signed up for 3 months with Jonny and I am impressed with both, his playing chops AND his dynamic teaching ability and style! I have found with his upbeat personality and enthusiasm, Jonny May is perfectly suited for teaching various styles of piano to people at various levels and makes a difficult subject enjoyable to learn.

After working on ONE of his 30 minute video lessons the other day teaching rootless voicings, I thought, "that lesson alone was worth the $60 I paid."

I believe you would not regret it.


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I have to chime in here too... I think Piano with Jonny is fantastic. After four years of learning piano through books, teachers and various videos here and there, I started to become stagnant. I tried some other online courses but they seemed like video games and never focused on the contemporary jazz that I'm interested in. I heard plenty of people mention Jonny's site so I checked it out. There really is something about his setup and teaching style that works for me. Stuff is just clicking that hasn't really before. The pricing is sorta steep and I balked at it at first. So I initially signed up for just the 1st month. However, very quickly I purchased his yearly subscription because, while expensive, it is just a drop in the bucket for the lifetime of skill it can provide. He may not be for everyone, but in my opinion he is just what I needed.

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"Those who can't do, teach" - sounds like you aren't convinced that applies here and I don't think it is true. Teaching well is a real skill and may be harder than playing well. I can' say with respect to JM, but I'm not really in the market for lessons. I have bought some of his sheet music and I love the process of watching something played on Youtube, and then if you think it is something you would like to learn, just clicking a link, paying, and then printing it right out.

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Deann, I appreciate your comment.

No, I was just reminded of the humorous Woody Allen “kicker” to the old saying. It was purely intended to make you smile!

You are correct though, that the old saying itself is completely skewed! I have to imagine that It must have been a saying that was started by a good player who didn’t have the patience or the ability to convey his knowledge to a student.

My awkward point was simply that Jonny May seems equally talented as a player and teacher.


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Anny thoughts on how Piano with Jonny compares with Piano with Willie? Both Willie Myette and Jonny May play well in a wide variety of styles. They both have cheerful, positive personalities, and both seem like good teachers. Both sites cover a wide range of non-classical styles, rock, jazz, blues, gospel, etc.

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So if I understand right, this is all online teaching? I've taken piano lessons a couple times in my life and in both cases, the teacher was sitting right there and could offer insight into whatever aspect of my playing. So a very interactive process. Online materials aren't interactive - at least I assume there is no such process, would be interested to hear otherwise. I suppose it could still be helpful, but it's a completely different thing to what I call teaching. It's more like writing a textbook for somebody else's classroom than actual teaching. The last piano teacher I had was Art Lande and I felt that he could look right into my soul and see what wasn't connecting or where the weak link was. I just don't see an analogy to online materials. That's not a criticism of online learning. It's just a different thing.

Sam: yes, we agree. I think being a good teacher is probably harder than being a good player, as you have to not only see what people aren't doing right, or are doing wrong, but you have to help them fix it, and what that takes can vary a lot. But I wouldn't be surprised if bad players sometimes become bad teachers, as it is harder to realize who a bad teacher is, especially if hiring for your kids or something.

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Originally Posted by Deann
So if I understand right, this is all online teaching? I've taken piano lessons a couple times in my life and in both cases, the teacher was sitting right there and could offer insight into whatever aspect of my playing. So a very interactive process. Online materials aren't interactive - at least I assume there is no such process, would be interested to hear otherwise. I suppose it could still be helpful, but it's a completely different thing to what I call teaching. It's more like writing a textbook for somebody else's classroom than actual teaching. The last piano teacher I had was Art Lande and I felt that he could look right into my soul and see what wasn't connecting or where the weak link was. I just don't see an analogy to online materials. That's not a criticism of online learning. It's just a different thing.

Sam: yes, we agree. I think being a good teacher is probably harder than being a good player, as you have to not only see what people aren't doing right, or are doing wrong, but you have to help them fix it, and what that takes can vary a lot. But I wouldn't be surprised if bad players sometimes become bad teachers, as it is harder to realize who a bad teacher is, especially if hiring for your kids or something.


Bad teachers don't last long. People figure it out.

Online courses vs. an instructor sitting next to you? I would say, there are pros and cons to each. But don’t sell online courses short. We learn from imitation and repetition. Does it really matter whether the teacher is sitting next to you on the bench or in front of you on a monitor. Perhaps those weekly lessons would be best for people who are not self-starters. And a teacher present would be better to fine-tune an individual’s playing. But the online courses have many positive features too. You can’t “pause” your teacher sitting next to you on the bench to study the voicings on the virtual keyboard. And, as far as imitation, you can listen to the instructor’s example all week.


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Some of the online sites, such as Artistworks, have you send in a video of your playing. They are able to observe your technique and respond with helpful feedback. I believe this helps to alleviate one of the major disadvantages of the the online courses, which in many cases, just involve the student observing online videos (or dvds). The student in these cases, might have no way if they are doing something wrong.

I believe the Piano with Willie site has an online coaching option where you can Skype for a brief period of time with the teacher (on a regular basis) and they can observe your playing.

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Cool Alan!

The technology of Skype has made the World a lot smaller!

I play a piece and just ask Alexa how I did? ;-D


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I have both Piano with Willie stuff and Piano With Jonny stuff and …..

Willies material is a bit more seasoned or mature in that he has been around a lot longer.

Jonny is still building his lessons and tends to inch along with steps and is more of a Cheer Leader with his encouraging rants.

Both are good I would have to say Piano with Willie is a safer choice with solid material.


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OK, I don’t want to add confusion to this thread, but how do these courses compare to Gjermund Sivertsin’s popjazzonline? Also, Duane Shinn has numerous offerings....the only thing is you really don’t know which of his courses to get because it seems the training is doled out in pieces, besides getting really expensive!


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