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Automatic room Humidifier and Dehumidifier? #2922787 12/14/19 08:42 AM
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I'm wondering if there are devices that can do both.

I'm not talking about a lifesaver system that get's built into the piano, i'm talking about a device for the room itself.

After some searching on the web, I can only find seperate Humidifiers and Dehumidifiers. Anyone know if there are devices that can do both? Like a piano lifesaver system, but for the room.

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I haven't seen any. Even whole house systems that offer both functionalities require separate units.

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We recently had a new furnace inatalled .For an extra $800.CAD we could have got a humidifier installed as part of it. We seldom use a humidifier here ,but sometimes if the humidity drops
In the winter we use a small ultrasonic humidifier and a separate dehumidfier.Actually use the
dehumidifier far more.
I do not think they come in one device.

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If you use a programmable controller, you can plug a humidifier into one outlet and a dehumidifier into the other outlet and the controller will choose the one to turn on. That doesn't solve the problem by combining the two, but it solves the problem of controlling them without you needing to do anything. This is the one I use.


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Originally Posted by MarkL
If you use a programmable controller, you can plug a humidifier into one outlet and a dehumidifier into the other outlet and the controller will choose the one to turn on. That doesn't solve the problem by combining the two, but it solves the problem of controlling them without you needing to do anything. This is the one I use.


Thanks! i had only found these with only one socket so far, so that would mean buying two of them.

There are also humidifiers and dehumidifiers that got their own controller built in. That might be even better/simpler, but probably also more expensive.

Strange that there's no company that combines these 2 devices to one humidity controller, like a piano lifesaver.

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Yes it would be nice to have it in one package. One problem I've found with the controls that come with these devices is that they aren't very accurate, and the sensor is usually tethered to the power cord so it sits on the floor next to the device. That isn't the most useful place to be sensing humidity. The programmable controller has the sensor on a cable, so I hung mine right below the soundboard. The controller also allows entering a correction factor, so when you calibrate the sensor you can get the readout to be correct without having to do the correction in your head.


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Originally Posted by MarkL
Yes it would be nice to have it in one package. One problem I've found with the controls that come with these devices is that they aren't very accurate, and the sensor is usually tethered to the power cord so it sits on the floor next to the device. That isn't the most useful place to be sensing humidity. The programmable controller has the sensor on a cable, so I hung mine right below the soundboard. The controller also allows entering a correction factor, so when you calibrate the sensor you can get the readout to be correct without having to do the correction in your head.


Very interesting.

It does seem like a nice device, and putting that sensor near the soundboard can't hurt.

I think it's a good idea, this controller isn't expensive, and I can use any humidifier and dehumidifier with it.

So, you are happy with this controller overall?

Having the system in 3 separate devices (controller, humidifier, dehumidifier) does have an advantage too. If one of them goes bad, you just need to fix or replace that one. If it was an all in one system it would be worse if it stopped working.

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Originally Posted by U3piano

So, you are happy with this controller overall?

Yes, I also have a temperature controller from the same company that I use on a refrigerator in the garage. So I have two positive experiences with their products.
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Having the system in 3 separate devices (controller, humidifier, dehumidifier) does have an advantage too. If one of them goes bad, you just need to fix or replace that one. If it was an all in one system it would be worse if it stopped working.

That's true, it's also nice to be able to clean them out individually at the end of the season. If you leave moisture in a dehumidifier all winter, it can be pretty moldy by the spring. Ditto for the humidifier in the summer. So I rinse mine out and let them dry when I stop using them.


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Sounds good, thanks for the tip!


Now i just need to think about where i would put these devices without it looking bad. Would you think it would work if I put it all (except for the sensor) in a closet of which the door stays open just a little?

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To combine the two in one machine would be an engineering nightmare.

Keep in mind both of these machines are noisy and require routine attention.

Closet probably not going to work very well.


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Originally Posted by U3piano

Now i just need to think about where i would put these devices without it looking bad. Would you think it would work if I put it all (except for the sensor) in a closet of which the door stays open just a little?

The dehumidifier might work in the closet, but closets tend to be cool, especially if they are on an outside wall. So the moisture from the humidifier might condense on the closet wall or doors. Also it helps to circulate the air to keep the humidity uniform in the room, so even with the door open you might not get much circulation.

I think a better approach if you have the space would be to use some kind of small privacy screen to hide them, or if you're handy make something out of wood to hide them. There are units that are designed to be attractive in a room, if you go on amazon and search for "attractive humidifier" you'll see some nice looking units, but many of them are ultrasonic, which produce the white dust. If you hunt you might find a nice looking evaporative humidifier.


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I've got a closet under the stairs, it's not cool, because it's not on an outside wall (townhouse), so that might just work. It's also directly where my piano is. It's door is always a little open, because in the back of the closet space i made a cat flap with access to the hall and stairs, this way my cats can go where they want with the living room door kept closed. smirk


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or if you're handy make something out of wood to hide them.


Yes, i thought of that too, and think that would be best. I'm thinking of something like a housing for a radiator.


Once again, thank you for all the good tips! cool

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I have this humidifier AirCare Humidifier for the drier months and this dehumidifier Soleus Dehumidifier. These units are rated large enough to control the humidity in my entire house. It works for me. We have an open floor plan and the 1st floor with a 2-story foyer open to the upstairs, so simply controlling the environment where the piano is located is not an option for me.

In the drier months, I do have to add water to the humidifier a couple of times a day, and I have to change the wick a couple of times in the winter. The fan is a little loud. But it's manageable for me. I like this set up over the "whole house" humidifier connected to the HVAC system, because those units usually only run when the furnace is running. With a separate unit like this, it runs whenever the humidistat reads low humidity whether or not the furnace is running. So temperature and humidity are controlled separately.

Then in the months with high humidity, I do have to empty the humidifier a couple of times a day. However, this model has an internal pump and a gravity fed drainage connection as well. When we leave home for days at a time, I run a line to a floor drain near the water heater or sink and engage the internal pump. There are a couple of months in our region where I have to have both of them close by. I watch the weather forecast and turn on the one that fits the bill. In our area (central Indiana), I am able to keep humidity around 40% in the Winter when it's dry, and 50% in the summer when it's moist. I wait for the seasonal change over to have my piano tuned. It works well for me.

Another added benefit is our health and the comfort level in our home. The environment is more comfortable and our utility bills are more consistent as a result. We also have fewer colds and sinus infections in the drier months. When one of us has one, we recover much sooner.


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