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1987 Baldwin Hamilton 243 HPO or 1992 Boston UP118C? #2922423 12/13/19 12:02 AM
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Both pianos are in great shape. Beautiful and well maintained, kept in climate controlled environments.
The Baldwin is my family's piano and the Boston is one I am considering purchasing.

The Boston is $4000 from a woman who took good care of it but doesnt play much anymore.
The Baldwin would be shipped from my family's home in the west coast to my home in the east coast, about $700-1600 depending on moving season.

I'm really not sure which piano I prefer. To be honest I dont know a lot about pianos, so I'm looking to get some opinions to help me decide. Please let me know what you think and why!

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Re: 1987 Baldwin Hamilton 243 HPO or 1992 Boston UP118C? [Re: Velidae] #2922527 12/13/19 11:39 AM
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Hello, Velidae, and welcome to Piano World!

I have no direct experience with the Boston upright, but I have had direct experience with the Baldwin 243 studio upright piano. In my view, it seems to me that the age of the two pianos is not that far apart, with the Boston being about 5 years newer than the Baldwin. Since your family already owns the Baldwin, and only the shipping cost is the expense you will incur, aside from tuning and service if you decide to go that route, that would be your lowest cost option.

On the other hand, if you are ready for something different and you like the Boston upright, that might be a consideration. The price of the Boston seems a little high to me based on the age, but I know it is associated with Steinway. That association is likely why the price is higher. If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Boston would have been made by Kawai, but I'm not 100% sure, since it is 27 years old now. Not sure how long that relationship between Steinway and Kawai on the Boston piano has been in place.

In terms of quality, and I'm quite sure some would disagree with me, I'd think the two pianos are pretty much on par with each other. But that is just my opinion. I am a fan of the Baldwin US made pianos. I'm also a fan of the Kawai made pianos.

Since you say you do not have a preference one way or the other, or which piano you like best, it is pretty much a tosup/stalemate. The Baldwin 243 could have some sentimental value, but the Boston would offer something new and different, which might reboot your motivation level to play it and progress further in you piano playing skills. The Baldwin is clearly the lowest cost option. But if you can afford it, the Boston might be a good option as well.

Not sure this has helped, but I hope it has!

All the best, and Merry Christmas! smile

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Re: 1987 Baldwin Hamilton 243 HPO or 1992 Boston UP118C? [Re: Velidae] #2922537 12/13/19 12:04 PM
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Since you are also considering a piano from a private seller, please do not accept their opinion that the piano is in good shape: hire an independent piano tech for an assessment at around $100; well worth the money
If you need some names of techs in your area, you can search at ptg.org


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Re: 1987 Baldwin Hamilton 243 HPO or 1992 Boston UP118C? [Re: Rickster] #2922554 12/13/19 12:47 PM
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I was googling the model of the Boston and 1992 was the first year of Boston pianos. The particular model and year of Boston upright means it could have either been built by Kawai Japan or the Kawai plant in Indonesia. The serial number index should show where it was made. My first upright was a Baldwin and it was lovely.


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Re: 1987 Baldwin Hamilton 243 HPO or 1992 Boston UP118C? [Re: j&j] #2922570 12/13/19 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by j&j
I was googling the model of the Boston and 1992 was the first year of Boston pianos. The particular model and year of Boston upright means it could have either been built by Kawai Japan or the Kawai plant in Indonesia. The serial number index should show where it was made. My first upright was a Baldwin and it was lovely.


The serial number for the Boston is 104145. When I looked it up it placed it around 1992-1993 so I admit I had kind of estimated. If you have more information I would love to know.

To the other responses:

Thank you for your replies, I've played on the Baldwin and am comfortable with it and like the sound and feel of it so I'm leaning towards that right now. But it would be nice to try something different, and the Boston is in a glossy white finish which stands out and does look lovely, though I also like the walnut finish of the Baldwin. It's such a hard decision.

The Boston is $4000 CAD, I should have mentioned. I'm not sure if that makes the price more reasonable, but I felt it was pretty fair. The seller is an older woman who is clearly attached to the piano and has taken very good care of it, but doesn't play as much anymore and is in a smaller space now.

I really wish I could play both pianos side by side but obviously that's not possible. I'm not sure how to get a good comparison of the sounds to pick one I prefer.

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Re: 1987 Baldwin Hamilton 243 HPO or 1992 Boston UP118C? [Re: Velidae] #2922610 12/13/19 02:52 PM
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Here’s what I found on the Boston:
Age: 27 years

Manufactured: between 1992 - 1993
Made in: Japan
Founded: Japan, Hamamatsu 1991

I used the online Piano Atlas.
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BTW I know it’s unfair but white pianos are significantly harder to sell. Harder to find if you love white pianos but definitely harder to sell.


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Re: 1987 Baldwin Hamilton 243 HPO or 1992 Boston UP118C? [Re: Velidae] #2922639 12/13/19 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Velidae
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The Boston is $4000 CAD, I should have mentioned. I'm not sure if that makes the price more reasonable, but I felt it was pretty fair. The seller is an older woman who is clearly attached to the piano and has taken very good care of it, but doesn't play as much anymore and is in a smaller space now.

I really wish I could play both pianos side by side but obviously that's not possible. I'm not sure how to get a good comparison of the sounds to pick one I prefer.


You haven't yet stated that you have actually played the Boston. Have you?

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Re: 1987 Baldwin Hamilton 243 HPO or 1992 Boston UP118C? [Re: Velidae] #2922648 12/13/19 04:18 PM
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I hate to say this, but don't buy that Boston unless you think it will be the last piano you ever buy. Or unless the seller comes down on the price substantially.

The reason being, it will be very hard to sell it or get a good price as a trade in because of its color. I know that's unfair, but white pianos do not sell, and an almost-30 y/o white upright will definitely be hard to sell if you eventually want to upgrade.

I say this based on my experience of piano shopping this past summer and talking with a lot of dealers and private sellers. Still it's just my take on the matter, so feel free to ignore it! :P

Oh, one other plug for the Baldwin -- that model is a real workhorse, in general it should be a very reliable instrument. So given that you just have to pay the moving expense and then tuning, that seems like a very reasonable purchase.

Whatever you decide, good luck!


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Re: 1987 Baldwin Hamilton 243 HPO or 1992 Boston UP118C? [Re: Velidae] #2922662 12/13/19 04:41 PM
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A more reasonable price for the 27 year old Boston from a private seller would be around $2,500. And the white finish would definitely impact your ability to resell it in the future. Definitely have the Boston checked out by a tech - and have the Baldwin checked out as well before you invest in the cost of shipping it across country.


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Originally Posted by Velidae
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The Boston is $4000 CAD, I should have mentioned. I'm not sure if that makes the price more reasonable, but I felt it was pretty fair. The seller is an older woman who is clearly attached to the piano and has taken very good care of it, but doesn't play as much anymore and is in a smaller space now.

I really wish I could play both pianos side by side but obviously that's not possible. I'm not sure how to get a good comparison of the sounds to pick one I prefer.


You haven't yet stated that you have actually played the Boston. Have you?

Regards,


I have played the Boston in person, and to be honest it didn't really move me. The sound felt a bit... muted? I'm not sure, I haven't been playing much for years so my ear might be off.

Thanks everyone for the advice, I think I will stick with the Baldwin after all.

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Originally Posted by Velidae
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The Boston is $4000 CAD, I should have mentioned. I'm not sure if that makes the price more reasonable, but I felt it was pretty fair. The seller is an older woman who is clearly attached to the piano and has taken very good care of it, but doesn't play as much anymore and is in a smaller space now.

I really wish I could play both pianos side by side but obviously that's not possible. I'm not sure how to get a good comparison of the sounds to pick one I prefer.


You haven't yet stated that you have actually played the Boston. Have you?

Regards,


I have played the Boston in person, and to be honest it didn't really move me. The sound felt a bit... muted? I'm not sure, I haven't been playing much for years so my ear might be off.

Thanks everyone for the advice, I think I will stick with the Baldwin after all.


Congratulations on your decision to keep the Baldwin.


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