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Demos of CVP 809 #2922273 12/12/19 02:10 PM
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Here is a rather new demo of the CVP 809.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBBwCayv7_Q

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Re: Demos of CVP 809 [Re: tangothomas] #2922275 12/12/19 02:14 PM
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MSRP: $14,499.00

Extras over P-515+Genos:
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2- additional speakers! which definitely isn't going to worth anything more than 1k.
3- GrandTouch keys.

Disadvantages:
A horrific user interface/lack of control which renders the instrument's capabilities useless!

It's a very expensive decore. Not an instrument.

LOL to Yamaha. I still don't understand why Yamaha thinks this is worth 15k and who is the idiot behind designing such a stupid instrument? The same set of sounds as P-515+Genos = CVP 809!


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Abdol!

I assume you have played CVPs so please tell me why you think the user interface is useless.

What makes you think that Yamaha hires idiots to design Clavinova Versatile Pianos?

Re: Demos of CVP 809 [Re: tangothomas] #2922305 12/12/19 04:20 PM
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I'm glad he describes it as an arranger. This is a sorely missing element from Yamaha's marketing copy. I have some friends who bought the previous high end CVP because it was advertised as "Yamaha's flagship digital piano" for their kids who are learning piano. They only care about the piano and don't use the arranger features. They came over for dinner a few months ago and were dismayed that their kids like my N1X better and it cost almost half the price.They are both non-musical doctors (so they could afford the mistake) and just wanted "the best" for their kids, but wound up with the wrong product because of Yamaha's marketing.

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Re: Demos of CVP 809 [Re: tangothomas] #2922307 12/12/19 04:27 PM
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Well, luckily no idiots at Yamaha! Also, I think that mentioned price is referred to GP (Grand Piano) version. Upright-like version is less and less expensive and you get similar performances. I suspect that so much people NEVER played a CVP, so they only look at the prices, comparing this fantastic instrument with other and totally different products. So, this is my opinion that I just expressed in other threads here in this board.

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Re: Demos of CVP 809 [Re: tangothomas] #2922351 12/12/19 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by tangothomas
Abdol!

I assume you have played CVPs so please tell me why you think the user interface is useless.

What makes you think that Yamaha hires idiots to design Clavinova Versatile Pianos?


This is why:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWthr38QG9g

It sounds ridiculous. Yamaha PSR-S670 has a better control surface compared to it.

Genos needs a Genos control surface not a CVP control surface. How can you adjust the parameters or trigger articulations with just buttons?!

Also, it is an arranger which means it is worth nothing for what it is. The moment you take this junk out of the store, it will lose 50% of its worth.

It actually is a very dumb instrument and idea. P-515 piano engine for 15k? or 10k?


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Re: Demos of CVP 809 [Re: Chrispy] #2922352 12/12/19 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrispy
I'm glad he describes it as an arranger. This is a sorely missing element from Yamaha's marketing copy. I have some friends who bought the previous high end CVP because it was advertised as "Yamaha's flagship digital piano" for their kids who are learning piano. They only care about the piano and don't use the arranger features. They came over for dinner a few months ago and were dismayed that their kids like my N1X better and it cost almost half the price.They are both non-musical doctors (so they could afford the mistake) and just wanted "the best" for their kids, but wound up with the wrong product because of Yamaha's marketing.


You, Sir, are very right. I 1000% agree with you.

A piece of brotherly advice: CVP 809 is junk in every single aspect of it.

You want an arranger, get a Genos (although it is also junk).
You want a Piano then get a nice digital piano (like Kawai NV or Yamaha N series).

Get both of the above and it will be a heck of a fun!

You want something even better, Get an NV and a synth such as Montage or Kronos... Your kids will have so much to learn for years!


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Re: Demos of CVP 809 [Re: tangothomas] #2922357 12/12/19 07:25 PM
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The CVP-series is for casual use in the living room. They're overpriced ... but well-suited for their intended purpose.
Just because you or I don't share that purpose doesn't make it junk, Abdol.
I'm beginning to think that your over-the-top opinions are not compelling.

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Originally Posted by Abdol
MSRP: $14,499.00

Extras over P-515+Genos:
1- furnished!
2- additional speakers! which definitely isn't going to worth anything more than 1k.
3- GrandTouch keys.

Disadvantages:
A horrific user interface/lack of control which renders the instrument's capabilities useless!

It's a very expensive decore. Not an instrument.

LOL to Yamaha. I still don't understand why Yamaha thinks this is worth 15k and who is the idiot behind designing such a stupid instrument? The same set of sounds as P-515+Genos = CVP 809!


I guess they have their reasons, and CVP avicinados have theirs for buying such stuff.
I tried out a CVP609, with the NWX action. It played and sounded sublime through it's own speakers. Far, far better than anything I'd heard before, and even since.
Yamaha certainly know how to grab people . . . .


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The CVP-series is for casual use in the living room. They're overpriced ... but well-suited for their intended purpose.
Just because you or I don't share that purpose doesn't make it junk, Abdol.
I'm beginning to think that your over-the-top opinions are not compelling.


This.

Not only are the opinions not compelling, they are expressed in terms deliberately intended to offend and concern present and prospective owners of CVP Clavinovas. CVPs are completely valid choices if they meet your needs. In fact if they do meet your needs they are virtually unique. Not my cup of tea but they are certainly worthy choices in the right circumstances.


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The CVP-series is for casual use in the living room. They're overpriced ... but well-suited for their intended purpose.
Just because you or I don't share that purpose doesn't make it junk, Abdol.
I'm beginning to think that your over-the-top opinions are not compelling.


With all due respect Mac, AWM architecture is very old. The technology we have today both in terms of software and hardware is far more advanced than what Yamaha is offering and asking.

15k for CVP is atrocious!

If we all consider these instruments as nice instruments, It will give the impression to Yamaha that it is are on the right track and it will never update them, which is its past two decades trend. Yamaha barely improved anything since 2000 or has introduced any impressive instrument since then.

I sincerely/genuinely believe that Yamaha is ripping off its costumers.

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Re: Demos of CVP 809 [Re: tangothomas] #2922544 12/13/19 12:19 PM
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So, my question to everyone who wants to reply: I'm a classical pianist but sometimes I like to play pop/rock (now Christmas) music...) on an advanced arranger. I need the best piano built like a piano (forniture, not stage or similar), having a very good action, a very good piano sound with CFX and Imperial samples, a very good arranger section with Genos engine, an advanced set of features based on modern technology and latest connectivity options. I need all these features in a single instrument, because I have limited space and I do not want loosing my time with cables, connectors and difficult setup. Which instrument do you suggest? Ohh sorry... maybe I'm so stupid, following so many idiots and cheaters from Yamaha. Thanks.

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Every product's MSRP is outragous, so what's your point?
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15k for CVP is atrocious!
Who pays MSRP anyway? Even the dealers don't put the MSRP on the tag.

The thread is titled "CVP809" (the current model with the newer Clav engine), not "CVP309" from long ago with AWM. So again, what's your point.
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AWM architecture is very old. The technology we have today both in terms of software and hardware is far more advanced than what Yamaha is offering and asking.

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If we all consider these instruments as nice instruments, It will give the impression to Yamaha that it is are on the right track and it will never update them, which is its past two decades trend. Yamaha barely improved anything since 2000 or has introduced any impressive instrument since then.
If you believe one statement on PW will drive Yamaha's marketing decisions, think again.
And if you don't like Yamaha pianos, go buy a Roland.

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I sincerely/genuinely believe that Yamaha is ripping off its costumers.
The costumers have gone away ... at least until next Halloween, or the next Comicon.
As for customers ... none have been ripped off. Any buyer and any seller can ask for a price. If it's suitable for both parties there is no ripoff.
Ripoff is theft ... as in taking without permission or authorization with no intent to recompense.
There is no ripoff here.

Re: Demos of CVP 809 [Re: tangothomas] #2922588 12/13/19 01:53 PM
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Abdol!

I’m surprised that you think the CVP is junk in every single aspect?

And how come the Genos is also junk?

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In Sweden CVP 809 is 10.000$, but no one will pay that!

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Hoping in Italy, too. Yes street price hopefully will be lower than 10.000$, but unfortunately we had no chance to test (and buy) this new piano yet. I hope it will be available shortly.

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A little high 10.000$ is.

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Perhaps, but eveything in life is the double cost compared to the level below.

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@Mac I live in Canada and have paid MSRP for every single Yamaha synth I have purchased so far. May be in the states there is more demand and local shops but in my city, and in Canada it is impossible to buy Yamaha Montage for less than MSRP for example. I have tried it. Add to that the 13% Ontario tax.

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Abdol!

I’m surprised that you think the CVP is junk in every single aspect?

And how come the Genos is also junk?


Ahhh, it is an arranger and the AWM architecture exposed to the user is very basic.

@Pianofortissimo, with 15k you can invite a band to jam with you. The point is 15k or even 10k is way too much for CVP series. You can't take advantage of the capabilities with that control surface! and supposedly you are paying for that because Yamaha is saying so! That's cheating.

Compare this to CVP's control surface:

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For 15K it should come with something even more advanced.

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