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Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands #2921575 12/10/19 10:59 AM
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How can you do this neatly? Usually I don't have a problem fitting in the changes I want to make because it's just a note or two, but in this Mazurka, (Chopin 41/1, C sharp minor, M 105-118), I'm shifting quite a few notes, there are many accidentals and there is very little room on the score. I tried writing on a blank score but I seem to be incapable of producing legible notes. I suppose I should just try to memorize the section, but I'm not there yet. Any help would be appreciated.


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921581 12/10/19 11:19 AM
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I just write down RH or LH with a square bracket above the group of notes that it pertains to.

Or if I want to show off, I use m.d. and m.s. instead wink .


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921590 12/10/19 11:39 AM
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Photocopy and then paste each line separately to a new sheet with the room you need for annotations . You can also paste the two staves separately to provide more room between them


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: dogperson] #2921624 12/10/19 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bennevis
I just write down RH or LH with a square bracket above the group of notes that it pertains to.

Or if I want to show off, I use m.d. and m.s. instead wink .
laugh The problem is notes that are embedded in chords so RH/LH gets messy


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Photocopy and then paste each line separately to a new sheet with the room you need for annotations . You can also paste the two staves separately to provide more room between them

That might work if I enlarge the copy. Right now, there's no room within the chords.


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921635 12/10/19 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gooddog
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I just write down RH or LH with a square bracket above the group of notes that it pertains to.

Or if I want to show off, I use m.d. and m.s. instead wink .
laugh The problem is notes that are embedded in chords so RH/LH gets messy
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It looks like the only solution is to (over-)'paint' the notes a different color for each hand in that passage...... grin


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: bennevis] #2921647 12/10/19 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bennevis
It looks like the only solution is to (over-)'paint' the notes a different color for each hand in that passage...... grin

I'll have to buy some whiteout! With everything digitized, I wonder if it is still available?

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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921649 12/10/19 04:03 PM
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It looks like the only solution is to (over-)'paint' the notes a different color for each hand in that passage...... grin

I'll have to buy some whiteout! With everything digitized, I wonder if it is still available?


You can use erasable highlighters to designate the hands. These things are great!

Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921671 12/10/19 05:45 PM
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I use eraseable highlighters for certain notes that I need to either play with a different hand, or play louder.


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921678 12/10/19 06:20 PM
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Eraseable highlighters? I didn’t know there was such a thing!!


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921693 12/10/19 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gooddog
How can you do this neatly?[...]in this Mazurka, (Chopin 41/1, C sharp minor, M 105-118), I'm shifting quite a few notes[...]


I presume you need to do these because of the overlapping thumbs? (Note: I haven't yet tried it at the piano.) If you redistribute the notes are you still going to be able to satisfactorily accent the notes that Chopin has so indicated in the score? Isn't this a similar situation to certain sections of the Rachmaninoff C-sharp minor Prelude where the thumbs overlap? Would you re-distribute notes in the Rachmaninoff as well?

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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: BruceD] #2921702 12/10/19 07:30 PM
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How can you do this neatly?[...]in this Mazurka, (Chopin 41/1, C sharp minor, M 105-118), I'm shifting quite a few notes[...]


I presume you need to do these because of the overlapping thumbs? (Note: I haven't yet tried it at the piano.) If you redistribute the notes are you still going to be able to satisfactorily accent the notes that Chopin has so indicated in the score? Isn't this a similar situation to certain sections of the Rachmaninoff C-sharp minor Prelude where the thumbs overlap? Would you re-distribute notes in the Rachmaninoff as well?

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Since my wrist injury, I need to minimize stretches to avoid pain. (Unlike this past summer, I can actually play now but I still have to be careful.) Redistributing some of the notes makes it much more comfortable for me to play with agility and without pain. Yes, I have been careful to pay attention to what I think is Chopin’s intent but I haven’t yet presented these changes to my teacher. Bruce, I honestly don’t remember what I did with the Rachmaninoff prelude; it’s been easily 4 decades since I looked at it.


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921719 12/10/19 08:16 PM
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If one has or is recovering from an injury than any distribution of notes can be justified for that reason.

But if that's not the case, then, in general, if a composer was an excellent pianist one should consider the strong possibility that they wrote a particular note distribution to achieve a certain musical effect. So before one redistributes the notes for ease of execution one should weight that against achieving that musical effect.

Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921773 12/11/19 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by gooddog
Eraseable highlighters? I didn’t know there was such a thing!!

I saw it on another PW thread a few years ago, I ordered it on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Erasable-Hig...6049863&s=office-products&sr=1-8


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2921775 12/11/19 02:51 AM
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I use ⌈ for LH and ⌊ for RH. These are usually written on the stave beside the first note of the section.

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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: AssociateX] #2922164 12/12/19 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by AssociateX
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Eraseable highlighters? I didn’t know there was such a thing!!

I saw it on another PW thread a few years ago, I ordered it on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Erasable-Hig...6049863&s=office-products&sr=1-8



They are extremely usefu.



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Originally Posted by johnstaf
I use ⌈ for LH and ⌊ for RH. These are usually written on the stave beside the first note of the section.

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I’ve done the same.


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Re: Writing on the score to exchange notes between hands [Re: gooddog] #2922403 12/12/19 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gooddog
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Since my wrist injury, I need to minimize stretches to avoid pain. (Unlike this past summer, I can actually play now but I still have to be careful.) Redistributing some of the notes makes it much more comfortable for me to play with agility and without pain. Yes, I have been careful to pay attention to what I think is Chopin’s intent but I haven’t yet presented these changes to my teacher. Bruce, I honestly don’t remember what I did with the Rachmaninoff prelude; it’s been easily 4 decades since I looked at it.


I had forgotten about your injury. Are you making progress? Is it getting better?

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Besides writing on the sheet music, I'd use sticky notes. I can write as much info on them without marking up the original.

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I draw a wavy line. Notes below it are for left. Above for right.


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