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Re: Size of notation on the page
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I would make one correction: instead of discussing options with an optometrist alone, I would involve an ophthalmologist in the decision.


In Canada, ophthalmologists fix diseases of the eyes and operate, such as laser surgery and cataract surgery. They don’t fix nearsightedness, farsightedness, presbyopia or astigmatism with corrective lenses, which is the realm of optometrists. So unless we want laser surgery, we wouldn’t go to an ophthalmologist.


In the US, optometrists do fit the contact lenses or glasses .... but the ophthalmologist is the physician who advises on the correct course of correction. Ophthalmologist is a physician with eye speciality training so the scope is much larger than just surgery.

But I think because of the bigger scope, it also means that ophthalmologist tend to be less knowledgable on the details of vision correction via glasses and contacts, as an optometrist would be - for example, the details of how to use monovision correction using glasses or contacts, etc. My brother is a corneal surgeon and great on cataracts, but as an ophthalmologist, based on my conversation with him this week sparked by this thread, I could already tell he was as up on how to use monovision as WeakLeftHand's optometrist. As you said earlier, it is probably wisest to see both and not just an ophthalmologist.


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Re: Size of notation on the page
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Opthamologists in Canada can and do provide prescriptions for eyeglasses, contacts, etc., and can treat all types of eye conditions as well. Many specialize, or refer to a colleague if they feel out of their depth in dealing with a particular eye condition.

My opthamologist for many years did cataract surgery for me almost two years ago. She also just happens to be a very capable classical pianist.

So she knew exactly what I would like, and my eyes allowed for it. As a result, after surgery, I went from wearing glasses all my life because of severe shortsightedness, to only wearing glasses at night for driving. She gave me a slight version of monovision, which allows me to read music and work on the computer, even read books, without.

It was very strange for the five weeks between having the first and second eye done. I could not wear glasses, because the correction I needed was so strong, that images from each eye would have been entirely different in size if we simply removed one lens from my glasses for that time period. (My previous glasses made everything look clear but small and far away. The opthamologist warned me to be very cautious for a while on stairs. She was right.)

After surgery it was a big adjustment for me to judge where the keys on the piano were. They were so large! The violin was not a problem - that I play by feel, and do not require any visual cues.

I love the final result.

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Opthamologists in Canada can and do provide prescriptions for eyeglasses, contacts, etc., and can treat all types of eye conditions as well. Many specialize, or refer to a colleague if they feel out of their depth in dealing with a particular eye condition.


I’m sure they can (i.e., trained to do so), but practically speaking, they don’t, at least not in my area. Canada is a very big country. I don’t doubt there are regional differences, especially since our healthcare coverage is different based on province. The ophthalmologists in my area have “larger fish to fry” (so to speak) than giving out prescriptions for corrective lenses. I don’t mean to argue but I do believe that when I referred to “ophthalmologists in Canada” in my initial post about this, I generalized, which is incorrect.


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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
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Opthamologists in Canada can and do provide prescriptions for eyeglasses, contacts, etc., and can treat all types of eye conditions as well. Many specialize, or refer to a colleague if they feel out of their depth in dealing with a particular eye condition.


I’m sure they can (i.e., trained to do so), but practically speaking, they don’t, at least not in my area. Canada is a very big country. I don’t doubt there are regional differences, especially since our healthcare coverage is different based on province. The ophthalmologists in my area have “larger fish to fry” (so to speak) than giving out prescriptions for corrective lenses. I don’t mean to argue but I do believe that when I referred to “ophthalmologists in Canada” in my initial post about this, I generalized, which is incorrect.


My situation is similar to that of WLH. When I told my ophthalmologist that I was no longer seeing my optician, he advised me to return to the optician for corrective lenses for which he, the ophthalmologist, did not write prescriptions. It may also be, again in my case and in my location, that all visits to an ophthalmologist are covered by government medical insurance while visits to the optician are only partly covered by that insurance. There is a co-pay that the patient pays to the optician.

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It's easier to read when the size of the measures is in proportion to the size of the notes. If you squeeze in too many measures in one line then each measure will look ugly and mostly blackened from all these big dots from a big font. That's harder to read. Remember we are also reading spaces and separations (intervals). But if you spread out by using wider measures, then there'll be more page turns and you may need to continue to next page at less desirable places in the music. Also harder to see the bigger picture, the shape of the music. So it's a compromise. I have trouble reading small print. It's the grace notes that get me every time :-) I think a magnifying sheet will help me for the first few readings to get the right notes down with "note to self". Thereafter I'm looking at the sheet music not in as much detail. Anyway, what I like is a spacious, clean look. So actually for me smaller dots more spread out are easier to read than big dots crowded together.

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I think more than four lines (staves) per page would work--five or six, maybe. A lot of the readability depends upon how many measures are squeezed into a line. I use piano glasses and find that the number of staves and measures per stave that Henle uses works very well for me.


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Hi Nikolas!
I am always happy with the clear print of Musica Ferrum editions. The paper is lovely too.

Make sure you have good light in the room and on the pages.


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Originally Posted by malkin
Hi Nikolas!
I am always happy with the clear print of Musica Ferrum editions. The paper is lovely too.

Make sure you have good light in the room and on the pages.


I heartily agree with Malkin. I bought the score to ‘Fairytales in Treble’ as a gift for my teacher and she also commented on the quality.


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Originally Posted by LXXXVIIIdentes
Opthamologists in Canada can and do provide prescriptions for eyeglasses, contacts, etc., and can treat all types of eye conditions as well. Many specialize, or refer to a colleague if they feel out of their depth in dealing with a particular eye condition.

My opthamologist ....

Ok, I'm all ears on this one, starting with "my opthalmologist".

What I've understood up to now is that I can't even get to see an opthalmologist unless an optometrist books you one. Same as seeing a medical specialist can only be done via a GP, if you manage to even get a family doctor. My family doctor retired suddenly and I've had to go to iffy "clinics". My eye story started some 4 or so years ago, when I saw bright flashes one morning, after which I had this "blob" which turned out to be a floater, but a fat one. Internet and Telehealth both said flashes => blob can mean detaching retina. I went to emerge and sat around for 5 hours, thanks to Harris' "reforms" - they said to see someone. Back to optometrist who made light of it; I had to ask how to recognize a detached retina if it still happens; he shrugged off my questions about eye care. Some time later I was told that I should have seen an ophthalmologist at that point. Can I book one myself? No. Next appointment I asked and was told: no opthalmologist. Got three wrong prescriptions - deliberately wrong - for three strengths of glasses. Found an alternate, and seeming better optometrist. Still optometrist.

When I asked for my left lens to be made full strength, after I was given suboptimal so as to not confuse my brain, the prescription the old one sent was for distance vision. The new one caught that; listened to me instead of shrugging me off. Got that far. I'm growing a cataract, it seems, and it's partly there. Cataract surgery IS on the horizon. I'm still only talking to an optometrist, even if a good one. I cannot contact an ophthalmologist. In the other thread someone wrote about choosing one's ophthalmologist with care. Choose? Huh!

I'm in Ontario. LXXXVIIIdentes, are you in a different province? (You don't have to say which one).

It's a mess here.

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Originally Posted by dogperson
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Hi Nikolas!
I am always happy with the clear print of Musica Ferrum editions. The paper is lovely too.

Make sure you have good light in the room and on the pages.


I heartily agree with Malkin. I bought the score to ‘Fairytales in Treble’ as a gift for my teacher and she also commented on the quality.

Thank you guys.

Hugely appreciated it!

I'll post later on today one of the duets, as a gift. smile

Nikolas

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So, no fingering yet, but...

I hope you'll enjoy it.

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Thank you Nikolas! Your score has been downloaded once already. smile


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Thank you Nikolas! Your score has been downloaded once already. smile

Many thanks.

Enjoy it.

Looking forward to any comments you may have.

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Thank you Nikolas! Your score has been downloaded once already. smile

Many thanks.

Enjoy it.

Looking forward to any comments you may have.


Thanks so much, Nikolas ! Have you considered adding the QR code again like you did in Fsirytales? I thought it was such a great idea to give students a built in duet partner by scanning the code. There are a number of self-taught beginners here who might love being able to play duets. When I was a kid, my teacher and I often played them and I do think it helped to develop rhythm and the skill of never stopping


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Thank you Nikolas! Your score has been downloaded once already. smile

Many thanks.

Enjoy it.

Looking forward to any comments you may have.


Thanks so much, Nikolas ! Have you considered adding the QR code again like you did in Fsirytales? I thought it was such a great idea to give students a built in duet partner.

I have but the tempos were a problem.

My problem right now is that I want to go to print next week or something (in order to print in time for a Christmas gift for my partner) and I simply do not have a piano to make any recordings. With a bit of thought I can probably "anticipate" the correct links and still do that, but I hope I'll have the time for such a thing.

Thanks.

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Nikolas, do you by any chance have a recording of it, so we can hear it played?


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It's easier to read when the size of the measures is in proportion to the size of the notes. If you squeeze in too many measures in one line then each measure will look ugly and mostly blackened from all these big dots from a big font. That's harder to read. Remember we are also reading spaces and separations (intervals). But if you spread out by using wider measures, then there'll be more page turns and you may need to continue to next page at less desirable places in the music. Also harder to see the bigger picture, the shape of the music. So it's a compromise. I have trouble reading small print. It's the grace notes that get me every time :-) I think a magnifying sheet will help me for the first few readings to get the right notes down with "note to self". Thereafter I'm looking at the sheet music not in as much detail. Anyway, what I like is a spacious, clean look. So actually for me smaller dots more spread out are easier to read than big dots crowded together.


As someone who's horrendously short-sighted and over the last decade added the usual reading vision issues, I concur with this post, especially the last two sentences. I just looked through my piles of scores and that is what defines the good ones. It doesn't matter if the paper is slighty creamy as long as the print is sharp and high quality. Those conditions being met, five or even six lines is OK with a max of five bars per line.
There's such a variety of quirky eyes there's no one-size solution. I wear a mixum-gatherum of eye-wear, mostly contacts for distance with cheap reading glasses over. My computer glasses used to work well but now only work for close reading. What used to be my distance glasses now work just about for reading scores and I'm in a phase where my vision is again changing rapidly. Add to this I have to read scores at different distances and elevations - digital and upright acoustic at home, grand piano desk at lesson, on stand for flute playing, and as for harp, nightmare .... score on the left, playing strings from eye level to complete arm's length of left hand!
My pet peeve is LIGHT, or lack of. Please teachers, make sure you have good directed lighting for us, even if you can see in the dark! It makes a huge difference to the ease of reading even of inferior quality scores.

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PS Nikolas, I meant to add I found your musica ferrum publications fine!

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Originally Posted by Jytte
Nikolas, do you by any chance have a recording of it, so we can hear it played?

It's very bad, as it's automatically made from Finale (my notation software), but hopefully it will give the right idea... :-/

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Thank you.


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