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Re: Question to the mod. What's political and what is not?
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Originally Posted by Ken Knapp
. . . So the commentary gets deleted. Why? Because we do not need people getting upset, insulted, or fighting. That just causes problems. We suddenly have everyone reporting everyone else and it is a total mess to sort out. Sometimes it causes people to get banned. People who may never stirred up a bit of trouble except some sort of political statement pushed the right button in their head. It happens. . . .


I am the moderator of a synagogue listserv, and have been dealing with these problems for several years.

I think that Ken is right:

. . . The moderator's primary job is not to "be fair" -- it's to keep the comment stream from blowing up !

When Snail writes:

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. . . I don't like to start political discussions here or anywhere else but i respond when workers are under attack here or anywhere.


he's offering to do exactly what a moderator _doesn't_ want to have happen:

. . . he's going to raise the emotional temperature of the discussion.


I sympathize with him -- he wants to maintain "balance" -- but the effect is often to start things spinning out-of-control.

. . . So the moderator kills the comment.


Anyone who wants to read a classic paper about this situation can do so here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8451443_The_Online_Disinhibition_Effect

The PDF is free to download, and well worth reading.


PS -- Note that I am speaking for myself, _not_ for Ken -- so don't blame him for what I've said.


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Re: Question to the mod. What's political and what is not?
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Originally Posted by Snail
So standing for labour rights gets deleted. Atacking labour rights is ok. But you don't want people getting upset. So then treat people equally regardless of their ideology or recognize your bias towards right wing positions.

My goodness, and all this while in France trade unions are fighting in national strike in defense of social security retirement rights.




It looks like your brain works at the speed of your name.

This is just adding fuel to an almost out fire, I suggest you find a different forum because you don't want to listen to any advice given here.


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Re: Question to the mod. What's political and what is not?
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
My impression is that moderators respond mainly to complaints/alerts by other posters.


I know this not to be true. I wanted to counter the politics in this post http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...litical-and-what-is-not.html#Post2921263 and I wrote a reply, then posted, then deleted then reported the post for being political. Since the post is still very much there I am guessing if the politics of a post is what a moderator feels is just common sense then it just gets left to stand.

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Originally Posted by KevinM
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My impression is that moderators respond mainly to complaints/alerts by other posters.


I know this not to be true. I wanted to counter the politics in this post http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...litical-and-what-is-not.html#Post2921263 and I wrote a reply, then posted, then deleted then reported the post for being political. Since the post is still very much there I am guessing if the politics of a post is what a moderator feels is just common sense then it just gets left to stand.
I didn't say that if one reports a post the mods will always respond by deleting the post. That would be a ridiculous approach for the moderators to take.

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I think the PianoWorld Moderators do a fabulous job. If I want political commentary there’s all the news networks and social media apps. I come to PW to escape politics. grin


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Originally Posted by j&j
I think the PianoWorld Moderators do a fabulous job. If I want political commentary there’s all the news networks and social media apps. I come to PW to escape politics. grin


Frankly I am getting sick of the right wing talking points that are just casually inserted into the discussions like it is just normal and I am just meant to accept it.

There is plenty of political commentary. Far more than I want. If it is just allowed to continue to happen without challenge there is going to be more of it, though of course as the views become ever more acceptable and normalised it will become even more so just viewed as common sense.

I would love to just talk pianos. But it seems I have to accept the political commentary without being allowed to respond.

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Re: Question to the mod. What's political and what is not?
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I think the PianoWorld Moderators do a fabulous job. If I want political commentary there’s all the news networks and social media apps. I come to PW to escape politics. grin
Frankly I am getting sick of the right wing talking points that are just casually inserted into the discussions like it is just normal and I am just meant to accept it.

There is plenty of political commentary. Far more than I want. If it is just allowed to continue to happen without challenge there is going to be more of it, though of course as the views become ever more acceptable and normalised it will become even more so just viewed as common sense.

I would love to just talk pianos. But it seems I have to accept the political commentary without being allowed to respond.

I would be happy for there to be none at all, but as I mentioned above and you've just reiterated, one sides seems to come in stealth and be normalized, while the other side's is immediately deleted. Let's just not have any from either wing, then.


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You guys need to put the camp fire out and back away from the flames. If you consider a post political—- report it


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Re: Question to the mod. What's political and what is not?
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Originally Posted by KevinM
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
My impression is that moderators respond mainly to complaints/alerts by other posters.


I know this not to be true. I wanted to counter the politics in this post http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...litical-and-what-is-not.html#Post2921263 and I wrote a reply, then posted, then deleted then reported the post for being political. Since the post is still very much there I am guessing if the politics of a post is what a moderator feels is just common sense then it just gets left to stand.

The UK is currently in political chaos, with a general election and whatnot. More than enough to keep everyone politically engrossed, who wants to be politically engrossed.

I really don't understand the compulsion for any Brit to get involved in politics in a non-British piano forum by reporting someone to get his post deleted (and presumably get him rebuked too). Personally, I don't care what political views people hold in PW.

Incidentally, in my workplace, no-one talks politics. People are just talking about what they're going to do at Christmas. BTW, I'm an atheist, but that's not going to stop me enjoying myself at a couple of posh Christmas dinners this week (where no-one will be talking politics) as well as taking part in a Christmas concert next week (where no-one will be talking politics, whatever happens in the election) where some of the music will be overtly religious (think Messiah).


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Re: Question to the mod. What's political and what is not?
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Originally Posted by dogperson
You guys need to put the camp fire out and back away from the flames. If you consider a post political—- report it

OK. Backing away from the fire! 🙊


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Re: Question to the mod. What's political and what is not?
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Originally Posted by dogperson
You guys need to put the camp fire out and back away from the flames. If you consider a post political—- report it


+1

Arguing about arguing about politics is kind of silly. Arguing about what constitutes "politics" is equally silly. This in part is why it's an impolite topic: people tend to passionately disagree.

Politics doesn't belong here. This is one of the last sites I know of that hasn't been torn apart by vitriolic politics.

Politics is like pornography. I can't define it, but I know it when I see it.



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Im not joining much this thread although i started it, because it's not easy to me to express myself in English fluently. But many people has already pointed what i wanted to say.

If you express right wing political views it is ok, is common sense, is acceptable, nothing happens.

If you go left, even if you just are replying to a previous comment just as i did, there it goes the "no politics please",

Well any justification (especially those based on the need of keeping the order) of deleting a political comments that you don't like while keeping the ones you like is in fact politics. Specifically a branch of politics called fascism.

Im not calling you fascist. But certainly this kind of attitude paves the way to it.

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Snail, it seems like you just can't help but talk about politics. I must agree with the others who say that this topic shouldn't belong in a piano enthusiasts forum.

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Originally Posted by Snail
Im not joining much this thread although i started it, because it's not easy to me to express myself in English fluently. But many people has already pointed what i wanted to say.

If you express right wing political views it is ok, is common sense, is acceptable, nothing happens.

If you go left, even if you just are replying to a previous comment just as i did, there it goes the "no politics please",

Well any justification (especially those based on the need of keeping the order) of deleting a political comments that you don't like while keeping the ones you like is in fact politics. Specifically a branch of politics called fascism.

Im not calling you fascist. But certainly this kind of attitude paves the way to it.


My advice, take it or not: the next time you see a political post, don't reply . Report it.
You’ve really made your position clear on this forum; let it go. Once was enough for it to be understood.


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This thread is going downhill fast...



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This thread is going downhill fast...


+1 Sadly it is.



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Lets close this with the great Grigory Sokolov live in recital "Ich ruf zu dir""

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urp...fF9tV6gdytbb2NDkvmy&index=5&t=0s


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This thread should die...

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This thread should die...

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This thread should die...

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Agree!



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