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Steinway grands and Yamaha uprights #2921339 12/09/19 03:32 PM
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So, I was browsing for piano tuners in my area and happened upon a particular shop that was willing to buy pianos from private sellers for resale...so long as they are Steinway grands and Yamaha uprights. They will not take any other makes of pianos. That tells you a whole lot about what the market is like in my area. I know there are a whole lot of other resellers that will take other makes, but I guess this particular reseller just wants to buy the ones he knows will sell for sure.

Now I'm wondering if I should have bought a Yamaha U3 or YUS5! confused

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Re: Steinway grands and Yamaha uprights [Re: WeakLeftHand] #2921342 12/09/19 03:36 PM
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I'm sorry, what area are you in that they don't think they can resell a Kawai, or a M&H?


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I'm sorry, what area are you in that they don't think they can resell a Kawai, or a M&H?


I'm in Toronto. I believe they think that it's just a lot easier to sell a used Steinway grand or a Yamaha upright, vs any other brand. That might be true.

When I was buying my Kawai K-500, I considered resale value, and how easy it would be to sell my Kawai should the time come to part with it. I, too, believed that a Yamaha would be easier to sell, and hold its value better than a Kawai. I still purchased the Kawai though, because I liked the sound better.

In Toronto, a Yamaha U1 is priced almost exactly the same as a Kawai K-300. However, I know that in other parts of the world, the Yamaha is priced at slightly higher than the equivalent Kawai. I don't know what to make of that.

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
...so long as they are Steinway grands and Yamaha uprights. They will not take any other makes of pianos.

They (the dealer/reseller) know what will make a profit for them, and a healthy one; and, in a relatively short period of time. They know what sells and what doesn't. I've come across several brokers/dealers/rebuilders who only deal in used Steinway pianos.

In other words, it's strictly business... smile

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...so long as they are Steinway grands and Yamaha uprights. They will not take any other makes of pianos.

They (the dealer/reseller) know what will make a profit for them, and a healthy one; and, in a relatively short period of time. They know what sells and what doesn't. I've come across several brokers/dealers/rebuilders who only deal in used Steinway pianos.

In other words, it's strictly business... smile

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I think that's it.

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
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...so long as they are Steinway grands and Yamaha uprights. They will not take any other makes of pianos.

They (the dealer/reseller) know what will make a profit for them, and a healthy one; and, in a relatively short period of time. They know what sells and what doesn't. I've come across several brokers/dealers/rebuilders who only deal in used Steinway pianos.

In other words, it's strictly business... smile

Rick


I think that's it.


Somehow I think the priority in piano shopping is “what is going to make me happy playing and practicing?” All pianos depreciate and in the best of circumstances Steinway’s tend to depreciate a little bit slower. Resale value is a somewhat gloomy topic for private sales, even with a household name brand. Enjoy your Kawai to the fullest, because it’s a well made, great sounding piano. My 2 cents.


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Just big VERY well known names ! I could have told you this when I was a teenager.My music teacher chose my Kawai piano in the 60's even though I wanted the FAMOUSE brand name of
YAMAHA. (Even in those days kids were aware of brand names)
Fame is just Fame nothing more ! Fame sells !
YAMAHA does not equal STEINWAYS !
Later when I had to play a Yamaha grand., I realised I agreed with teacher .,I preferred the Kawai
anyday ! Whether you will be able to sell your Kawai upright as easly I could not tell you.
Are you getting your piano for Christmas? WeakLeftHand why are you thinking of selling before
you have even received it ?

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...so long as they are Steinway grands and Yamaha uprights. They will not take any other makes of pianos.

They (the dealer/reseller) know what will make a profit for them, and a healthy one; and, in a relatively short period of time. They know what sells and what doesn't. I've come across several brokers/dealers/rebuilders who only deal in used Steinway pianos.

In other words, it's strictly business... smile

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I think that's it.


Somehow I think the priority in piano shopping is “what is going to make me happy playing and practicing?” All pianos depreciate and in the best of circumstances Steinway’s tend to depreciate a little bit slower. Resale value is a somewhat gloomy topic for private sales, even with a household name brand. Enjoy your Kawai to the fullest, because it’s a well made, great sounding piano. My 2 cents.


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Just big VERY well known names ! I could have told you this when I was a teenager.My music teacher chose my Kawai piano in the 60's even though I wanted the FAMOUSE brand name of
YAMAHA. (Even in those days kids were aware of brand names)
Fame is just Fame nothing more ! Fame sells !
YAMAHA does not equal STEINWAYS !
Later when I had to play a Yamaha grand., I realised I agreed with teacher .,I preferred the Kawai
anyday ! Whether you will be able to sell your Kawai upright as easly I could not tell you.
Are you getting your piano for Christmas? WeakLeftHand why are you thinking of selling before
you have even received it ?


Lady Bird, I'm finally getting my piano on Wednesday!!! Can't wait!!!

My mind is always a million steps ahead. I can't live in the present.

If you recall, when I bought the Kawai, I always thought it would be a stepping stone piano for me, not my forever piano. So...sometimes I think about resale...that's all. I'm really glad I got a stepping stone piano though, because even in the short 3 months since I purchased my piano until now, my taste in piano has already changed. If you remember, I really wanted to buy the Bechstein A124 at one point...well, I now find the action too light for my liking! Glad I didn't splurge and buy that piano. Three months ago, I was over the moon for the Estonia 168...I wonder if I'll still be over the moon about it in a few years' time.

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Everyone knows the only good piano's are steinway grands and yamaha uprights.

When i bought my u3 it was a tough decision between those.. in the end it turned out i liked the yamaha upright the best.

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Just big VERY well known names ! I could have told you this when I was a teenager.My music teacher chose my Kawai piano in the 60's even though I wanted the FAMOUSE brand name of
YAMAHA. (Even in those days kids were aware of brand names)
Fame is just Fame nothing more ! Fame sells !
YAMAHA does not equal STEINWAYS !
Later when I had to play a Yamaha grand., I realised I agreed with teacher .,I preferred the Kawai
anyday ! Whether you will be able to sell your Kawai upright as easly I could not tell you.
Are you getting your piano for Christmas? WeakLeftHand why are you thinking of selling before
you have even received it ?


Lady Bird, I'm finally getting my piano on Wednesday!!! Can't wait!!!

My mind is always a million steps ahead. I can't live in the present.

If you recall, when I bought the Kawai, I always thought it would be a stepping stone piano for me, not my forever piano. So...sometimes I think about resale...that's all. I'm really glad I got a stepping stone piano though, because even in the short 3 months since I purchased my piano until now, my taste in piano has already changed. If you remember, I really wanted to buy the Bechstein A124 at one point...well, I now find the action too light for my liking! Glad I didn't splurge and buy that piano. Three months ago, I was over the moon for the Estonia 168...I wonder if I'll still be over the moon about it in a few years' time.


You can always trade your Kawai for a Shigeru Kawai in the future.


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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Just big VERY well known names ! I could have told you this when I was a teenager.My music teacher chose my Kawai piano in the 60's even though I wanted the FAMOUSE brand name of
YAMAHA. (Even in those days kids were aware of brand names)
Fame is just Fame nothing more ! Fame sells !
YAMAHA does not equal STEINWAYS !
Later when I had to play a Yamaha grand., I realised I agreed with teacher .,I preferred the Kawai
anyday ! Whether you will be able to sell your Kawai upright as easly I could not tell you.
Are you getting your piano for Christmas? WeakLeftHand why are you thinking of selling before
you have even received it ?


Lady Bird, I'm finally getting my piano on Wednesday!!! Can't wait!!!

My mind is always a million steps ahead. I can't live in the present.

If you recall, when I bought the Kawai, I always thought it would be a stepping stone piano for me, not my forever piano. So...sometimes I think about resale...that's all. I'm really glad I got a stepping stone piano though, because even in the short 3 months since I purchased my piano until now, my taste in piano has already changed. If you remember, I really wanted to buy the Bechstein A124 at one point...well, I now find the action too light for my liking! Glad I didn't splurge and buy that piano. Three months ago, I was over the moon for the Estonia 168...I wonder if I'll still be over the moon about it in a few years' time.


You can always trade your Kawai for a Shigeru Kawai in the future.


A Shigeru will definitely be a consideration, but so will so many others! When the time comes I will have such a big headache!

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WeakLeftHand, I can get where you're coming from. After spending so much time piano shopping, it's natural to continue looking and comparing, just because it's interesting. In a similar vein, after we bought our house, I continued to look at real estate listings and I enjoy checking up on houses we went to look at but decided against, I feel happy when they're sold! smile

As for the Steinway/Yamaha store, I suspect they view their core customer base as non-specialists. A piano dealer catering to musicians and piano enthusiasts is more likely to have a variety of brands and focus more on individual instruments rather than sticking to a few well-known brands.

Actually, I just thought of another possibility. Some dealers will take a piano for trade without evaluating it first -- I had 4 dealers tell me they would take my Petrof as trade and they gave me a dollar figure based on photos and on my saying I kept it regularly tuned. The more conscientious ones told me I could probably get more by selling it myself.

In any case, this dealer may have decided that they will take S&S and Yamahas sight unseen because it knows they can turn around and sell them?

Either way, it's an interesting feature of the piano market these days.


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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Just big VERY well known names ! I could have told you this when I was a teenager.My music teacher chose my Kawai piano in the 60's even though I wanted the FAMOUSE brand name of
YAMAHA. (Even in those days kids were aware of brand names)
Fame is just Fame nothing more ! Fame sells !
YAMAHA does not equal STEINWAYS !
Later when I had to play a Yamaha grand., I realised I agreed with teacher .,I preferred the Kawai
anyday ! Whether you will be able to sell your Kawai upright as easly I could not tell you.
Are you getting your piano for Christmas? WeakLeftHand why are you thinking of selling before
you have even received it ?


Lady Bird, I'm finally getting my piano on Wednesday!!! Can't wait!!!

My mind is always a million steps ahead. I can't live in the present.

If you recall, when I bought the Kawai, I always thought it would be a stepping stone piano for me, not my forever piano. So...sometimes I think about resale...that's all. I'm really glad I got a stepping stone piano though, because even in the short 3 months since I purchased my piano until now, my taste in piano has already changed. If you remember, I really wanted to buy the Bechstein A124 at one point...well, I now find the action too light for my liking! Glad I didn't splurge and buy that piano. Three months ago, I was over the moon for the Estonia 168...I wonder if I'll still be over the moon about it in a few years' time.

Actually you would be surprised at the good trade in you would get for any well known European upright like Bechstein, Sauter, Schimmel, Bluthner, August Forster! For your Kawai K500 you would
get a reasonably trade depending on the price and age towards an Estonia.
Also Kawai is now famous too ! Some prefer Kawai to Yamaha.Between the U3 and the K500 I cannot really make up my mind which I like best ? Both are very nice !
Your K500 will be amazing ! (as a stepping stone ?)

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
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Just big VERY well known names ! I could have told you this when I was a teenager.My music teacher chose my Kawai piano in the 60's even though I wanted the FAMOUSE brand name of
YAMAHA. (Even in those days kids were aware of brand names)
Fame is just Fame nothing more ! Fame sells !
YAMAHA does not equal STEINWAYS !
Later when I had to play a Yamaha grand., I realised I agreed with teacher .,I preferred the Kawai
anyday ! Whether you will be able to sell your Kawai upright as easly I could not tell you.
Are you getting your piano for Christmas? WeakLeftHand why are you thinking of selling before
you have even received it ?


Lady Bird, I'm finally getting my piano on Wednesday!!! Can't wait!!!

My mind is always a million steps ahead. I can't live in the present.

If you recall, when I bought the Kawai, I always thought it would be a stepping stone piano for me, not my forever piano. So...sometimes I think about resale...that's all. I'm really glad I got a stepping stone piano though, because even in the short 3 months since I purchased my piano until now, my taste in piano has already changed. If you remember, I really wanted to buy the Bechstein A124 at one point...well, I now find the action too light for my liking! Glad I didn't splurge and buy that piano. Three months ago, I was over the moon for the Estonia 168...I wonder if I'll still be over the moon about it in a few years' time.

Actually you would be surprised at the good trade in you would get for any well known European upright like Bechstein, Sauter, Schimmel, Bluthner, August Forster! For your Kawai K500 you would
get a reasonably trade depending on the price and age towards an Estonia.
Also Kawai is now famous too ! Some prefer Kawai to Yamaha.Between the U3 and the K500 I cannot really make up my mind which I like best ? Both are very nice !
Your K500 will be amazing ! (as a stepping stone ?)


Although selling a piano by private sale usually brings you more money, trading in is significantly easier, but you do pay for that convenience. A Kawai dealer would probably give you the most trade in dollars for a well maintained Kawai upright. But then you would have to buy what brands the Kawai dealer carried. I got full trade in from my Yamaha dealer but he also carries Schimmel, Estonia, Charles Walther and Bosendorfer. But you haven’t even gotten your Kawai yet, you will probably be fantastically happy with your choice for years.


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Basically, everyone knows Steinway grands and Yamaha uprights. I'm kind of surprised he doesn't take Yamaha grands and Steinway uprights for the same reasons.

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On Wednesday! How wonderful! Congratulations it is a lovely piano!

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Everyone knows the only good piano's are steinway grands and yamaha uprights.


Only good or not, it depends... But I started with a Yamaha upright and now end (hope so!) with a Steinway grand!

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Just big VERY well known names ! I could have told you this when I was a teenager.My music teacher chose my Kawai piano in the 60's even though I wanted the FAMOUSE brand name of
YAMAHA. (Even in those days kids were aware of brand names)
Fame is just Fame nothing more ! Fame sells !
YAMAHA does not equal STEINWAYS !
Later when I had to play a Yamaha grand., I realised I agreed with teacher .,I preferred the Kawai
anyday ! Whether you will be able to sell your Kawai upright as easly I could not tell you.
Are you getting your piano for Christmas? WeakLeftHand why are you thinking of selling before
you have even received it ?


Lady Bird, I'm finally getting my piano on Wednesday!!! Can't wait!!!

My mind is always a million steps ahead. I can't live in the present.

If you recall, when I bought the Kawai, I always thought it would be a stepping stone piano for me, not my forever piano. So...sometimes I think about resale...that's all. I'm really glad I got a stepping stone piano though, because even in the short 3 months since I purchased my piano until now, my taste in piano has already changed. If you remember, I really wanted to buy the Bechstein A124 at one point...well, I now find the action too light for my liking! Glad I didn't splurge and buy that piano. Three months ago, I was over the moon for the Estonia 168...I wonder if I'll still be over the moon about it in a few years' time.


You can always trade your Kawai for a Shigeru Kawai in the future.


A Shigeru will definitely be a consideration, but so will so many others! When the time comes I will have such a big headache!

Some will envy your headache ! I think I am feeling it already !!!

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I wish I had that kind of headache, lol...



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